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27 MHz. ground element questions

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on a 5/8 wave antenna , how much does the angle of the ground elements affect its performance ? if i understand correctly , a 1/4 wgp needs the sloped radials to be able to achieve 50ohms , but larger 1/2 wgp and 5/8wgp antennas dont . also , if i understand correctly the 5/8 wgp dont need full 1/4 wavelength ground radials to be able to perform at their best . but i see jay and maco and most of the older discontiued but still very respected 5/8wgp antennas use four 9 feet or just a little short of 9 feet horizontal ground elements .
is there a perfect ground radial length and angle for a 5/8wgp ?

also , ive read on ham forums about how only 2 ground radial elements are necessary and going to 3 or 4 gives very little increase . but they didnt say what frequency/band they were discussing and i know different frequencys react differently with their antennas . on the cb band would there be any advantage using eight 4 1/2 or 5 foot horozontal ground elements over four 9 foot H radials ? i know bob85 is a big fan of the sirio 827 (except for going open circuit) and it uses six 55 inch ground radials . sirios 2000 series seems to have a few fans in the mild weather areas and they use either sixteen 27 inch ground radials (2016) or eight to twelve 52 inch ground radials (2008 and 1012) . and of course theres the imax 2000 with no ground radials , but they will use the mast or coax as a ground radial if a elevated ground radial system isnt added it to it . i dont want my coax or mast to do that .

is all this just nit-picking and really doesnt ammount to a hill of beans as far as what will be herd when transmitting and recieving in the real world ? just do what ever is easiest ?
or is it something worth taking into consideration ?
 

Ground radials: more=better.
Elevated, resonant radials a few of them is enough.
Perfect length is 1/4 wave, but 1/8 wave can do the trick if you can not use 1/4 wave because of big length.
Length of radials always affect length of radiating element.
Angle of radiation is changing depends how high base of the antenna is located.
Mike
 
5/8 and 1/2 will need a matching network of some kind so there isn't an easy way to get a match like you do with 135 degree radials on a 1/4 WL ant.

1/4 WL radials are better than shorter lengths to decouple those EVIL common mode currents on the feed. 3 or 4 will be plenty for a raised C.B. vertical. No need to go nuts and add more radials or wire connecting them.
 
my match system is gonna be similar to the macos with a loop .
another question . does the angle of the ground radials have any effect on the take off angle of the antenna ?
 
my match system is gonna be similar to the macos with a loop .
another question . does the angle of the ground radials have any effect on the take off angle of the antenna ?

If you really want to know maybe it's time to set up EZNEC. That program is completely devoid of opinions.

Sounds like a fun project.
 

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