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40 meter loop feeding?

ghutch

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I put up a loop, but need help on feeding it? Coax or ladder line? Want to use it multiband.....right now it 1-1 at 6.100mhz. Planning to trim it to about 7.100 and ust it 40-10..... To much confusion on the web about the best feeding....I can use 75 ohm as a match? If needed. Would like to run a short coax (3feet) from the tuner to ladder line. Anyone run a wire like this?? Ideas please:confused1:
 

Us a a short piece of good quality coax to connect to a 1:1 current balun. Then ladder line the rest of the way to your loop.
 
I wonder what kind of tuner you have, all of them are not created equal, some do well enough, some don't.
I'm assuming you will be using a horizontal loop? If so, you can do the matching using a 1/4 wave of 75 ohm coax, and then feed it with whatever length of 50 ohm coax to get to the radio. That makes it a single band loop, not a multi-band one. Your tuner might handle it that way on other bands but don't count on it.
The easiest way of feeding one through a tuner that can handle parallel feed line is just run the 'ladder-line' from the tuner to the antenna. Not everyone can do that for whatever reasons, so the shortest coax from the tuner to a balun (outside) and then ladder-line from there will certainly work. The problem with doing it that way is that the coax used will have some very high voltages in/on it, so has to be able to withstand those voltage levels. Since break down voltages aren't given anymore, use the shortest length of coax possible with the highest power rating possible. That coax doesn't have to be of any particular length, just as short as possible. Hang a 1:1 balun outside (on the eaves?) and run ladder-line from there.
A typical tuner should be able to make that work on bands higher than 40 meters. If not, then adjust the length of ladder line, shorter/longer, till the tuner can handle it. That's a fairly common way of doing it, the ladder-line length adjustment thingy.
There are some 'catches' when doing it this way. When using a loop as a multiband antenna (any other kind of antenna too) the resulting input impedance will be all over the place, high/low/etc. That means that having a tuner with a fairly broad matching range and kigher power rating is a must. If the tuner doesn't have a balun to start with then use a 1:1 rather than a 4:1. A balun is 'directional' in that if may change impedance in a 4:1 ratio, but you have to know which way it has to do that, up or down. See how that can be a problem? Let the tuner do the transformation, don't count on the balun in that respect.
A 'trick' with ladder-line to keep it from flexing enough to destroy it's self is just to 'twist' it. Make it into a spiral, one twist to every couple of feet, sort of. It'll still move around in the wind, but not nearly as much as a 'straight' run of it. Another 'trick' is to use the highest impedance rated ladder-line as possible, 450 ohm, 600 ohm etc. The gimmick with that is that the higher impedance rated stuff is usually heavier wire, and because of it's high impedance there's usually less voltage/current going through it, it won't destroy it's self. That isn't a biggy at all unless you run gobs of power. The common 450 ohm stuff will last you a long time and handle anything you can put into it, almost.
The hardest part about using parallel feed lines is that it's 'different', not all that difficult to use, but you gotta learn how to use it, it ain't coaxial cable.
Have fun.
- 'Doc
 
Doc....tuner is a ldg icom auto tuner, radio is icom7200, 100 watts max, running 10-50 mostly. As info the loop is rectangular in shape horizontal at 20 feet off the ground. Qth is 150 yards off a saltwater bay complex, I wondered about feeding it in a corner? And producing a vertical pattern to couple the saltwater flats?
See if this makes sense. Plan to cut the loop so it is resonant around 71-7200, from that point I will use the mfj antenna analyzer to see where the loops resonance falls on the other bands. With it now being resonant about 61-6200 MHz it will not tune 10 20 or 40. Only bands it does good on is 17 and 12.
My idea is to check the areas I can get a decent swr such as a OCF dipole with it peaks and valleys. I do want to use it as a multi band antenna.
 

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