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5/8 mobile antenna question

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i notice all 5/8 , 11 meter base antennas have some type of matching system , coil or ring , and are a closed circuit antenna . how do mobile 5/8 antennas tune being they are all open circuit . the skip shooter is a good example of one .
heres another 5/8 big external coil mobile antenna thats a prototype .
http://www.mauldroppers.com/showthread.php?t=3780
 

i notice all 5/8 , 11 meter base antennas have some type of matching system , coil or ring , and are a closed circuit antenna . how do mobile 5/8 antennas tune being they are all open circuit . the skip shooter is a good example of one .
heres another 5/8 big external coil mobile antenna thats a prototype .
http://www.mauldroppers.com/showthread.php?t=3780

I'm not so sure that all mobile <insert yer favorite wavelength here> necessarily have to be open circuit. I don't know how it would perform in the real world, but you could take a typical 5/8 or .64 design, and shorten "the height of.." the radiator by coiling it around a fiberglass shaft, no?

I believe the challenge you would run up against is a decent dc grounded matching circuit. It would be difficult, I imagine, to get one that would handle any power "mounted" to a 3/8"-24 pitch mount*. Not that it COULD NOT be done, only it would be impractical to so do.

*Or an NMO or PL-259, for that matter. These mounts are all rather "small" like an ant's penis. Hard to taper down any sort of decent impedence matching network on an end-fed 5/8 wave antenna this small...

Here's an idea for you hard-core drillers: Mount the bottom part of a buttcrax 2000 to your car. shorten the top parts accordingly using the "coil over fiberglass" method. when you're done, throw the whole thing in the trash and get a magmount wilson 1000 because it is more practical.
 
how do mobile 5/8 antennas tune being they are all open circuit . the skip shooter is a good example of one .
heres another 5/8 big external coil mobile antenna thats a prototype .
http://www.mauldroppers.com/showthread.php?t=3780

maybe they ain't really 5/8 waves.not all manufacturers tell the truth,The A99's 9.9 dbi gain is testament to that amongst many others.

most likely 1/4 wave antennas unless they are shunt fed and dc grounded its highly unlikely they are anything other than a shortened 1/4 wave with reduced efficiency over a full 1/4 wave whip.
 
take a look at the pic of the antenna in the link and let me know if you think its longer than 1/2 WL . thanks .
 
A shortened 5/8 wave mobile antenna, or a shortened 1/2 wave mobile antenna, or a shortened full wave mobile antenna. How do you shorten any 'size' antenna? By 'loading' it with the appropriate amount of inductance in the form of a coil of some 'shape' until you end up with an antenna of the height that you want. You then have to also add an impedance matching device so that it will end up close to a 50 ohm input impedance. A typical device like that can also have a capacitive component as well as an inductive one. You know, that just doesn't work. It's just a 'play on words' as to what that length of radiator is called. It no longer acts like a full sized 5/8, 1/2, or full wave antenna. It does not produce a radiation pattern the same as any of those full sized "size/type" of antennas. You can call it anything you want, but that doesn't make it so.
What you have done is produce a resonant antenna of whatever particular length you happen to want. Resonant meaning no reactances present, which means it radiates everything that gets to it, which is good. That's the whole point, right? Making it shorter so it's more convenient? Not a thing in the world wrong with that! Just don't expect the same radiation pattern you'd get from the full sized antenna, it'll never happen. Test it any way that you want to, doesn't make a bit of difference, the results will be the same as what I'm telling you. Doesn't matter what frequency range you're talking about either.
Another one of those 'myths' is that the wire used in winding that coil is the equivalent of the full length of whatever particular length of full sized antenna that it's used to make that full sized antenna shorter. No, it don't. The length of the conductor that makes up that coil has nothing to do with the "length" of antenna it's supposed to be replacing. The size and shape of that coil determines the amount of inductance it will produce at some frequency much more than the total length of that conductor affects things.
Another little thingy that people don't seem to think about is that any coil has losses. An antenna made entirely out of a coil has more losses than an antenna that uses 'less' coil. That means that a helically wound antenna is the least efficient of any 'shortened' antenna. :)

Lot's of meaningless/incorrect/dumb ideas when you start talking antennas and their characteristics. Is my post above one'a them sort of ideas? ... Prove it to me. I dare you. Opinions don't count, repeatable facts do.
- 'Doc
 
Yep 'Doc is right, every thing he said is right on point. Them peckerwoods producing all those crap ideas are just like fishing lure manufactures. They don't plan to do but one thing and that is to catch the eye of the fisherMAN and not the fish.

A guy once told me he used 5/8 wave radials on his 5/8 wave antenna. I asked him how long was his radiator and he said it was about 23' feet long. I then asked him how long were his GP radials. He probably still has his mouth wide open with that stare on his face that is like, "looking into the eye of a chicken," with nothing coming out of his mouth except more hot air.
 

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