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Yes that makes sense and I started thinking about off centre dipoles in fact (which I know little about so off to check their patterns out if I can find some) I had a wacky idea that they are rather more like the pattern of a 1/4 wave with a high take off. (which also has I-max at feed point)

Bit of wire on a tuner work skip when the conditions are there but that is not the mark of a high performance antenna. And I notice these difference as I tend to be a like to chase this really quiet stuff and try and get a contact on the edge of possibility but just found whenever I was using it the T2LT just seemed to fall out of favour with the various antennas I have cycled through. Usually the bottom of the T2LT is pretty high up above ground, always minimum 1/2 wave and often a bit more than that so I would have thought that would give it less chance for the bottom half to be influenced.

It could just be stray CM on that coax under said choke in conjunction with the slightly unbalanced thing is affecting take off angle somehow.

Anyway I loathe to use one again so will carry on thinking this through. It is also more interesting to experiment... an ultimately more satisfying to use something a little more out of the ordinary.

Does a "no radial" dual choked 5/8 start increasing its lowest radiation angle or reducing gain at said angle ? If not that could be the one for me. I could always have "minimal radials" 64 x 2 feet stubby ones just for the hell of it, it may help the match, I'd better get my soldering iron out. That may well be the ultimate compromise.

I am going to guess that the feed line is radiating and messing the pattern up a bit with some T2LT's.. maybe I was just unlucky both times.. twice is enough to have given them a chance.

<blockquote data-quote="TheBlaster" data-source="post: 757957" data-attributes="member: 58745">Yes that makes sense and I started thinking about off centre dipoles in fact (which I know little about so off to check their patterns out if I can find some) I had a wacky idea that they are rather more like the pattern of a 1/4 wave with a high take off. (which also has I-max at feed point)Bit of wire on a tuner work skip when the conditions are there but that is not the mark of a high performance antenna. And I notice these difference as I tend to be a like to chase this really quiet stuff and try and get a contact on the edge of possibility but just found whenever I was using it the T2LT just seemed to fall out of favour with the various antennas I have cycled through. Usually the bottom of the T2LT is pretty high up above ground, always minimum 1/2 wave and often a bit more than that so I would have thought that would give it less chance for the bottom half to be influenced.It could just be stray CM on that coax under said choke in conjunction with the slightly unbalanced thing is affecting take off angle somehow.Anyway I loathe to use one again so will carry on thinking this through. It is also more interesting to experiment... an ultimately more satisfying to use something a little more out of the ordinary.Does a &quot;no radial&quot; dual choked 5/8 start increasing its lowest radiation angle or reducing gain at said angle ? If not that could be the one for me. I could always have &quot;minimal radials&quot; 64 x 2 feet stubby ones just for the hell of it, it may help the match, I&#039;d better get my soldering iron out. That may well be the ultimate compromise.I am going to guess that the feed line is radiating and messing the pattern up a bit with some T2LT&#039;s.. maybe I was just unlucky both times.. twice is enough to have given them a chance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheBlaster, post: 757957, member: 58745"] Yes that makes sense and I started thinking about off centre dipoles in fact (which I know little about so off to check their patterns out if I can find some) I had a wacky idea that they are rather more like the pattern of a 1/4 wave with a high take off. (which also has I-max at feed point) Bit of wire on a tuner work skip when the conditions are there but that is not the mark of a high performance antenna. And I notice these difference as I tend to be a like to chase this really quiet stuff and try and get a contact on the edge of possibility but just found whenever I was using it the T2LT just seemed to fall out of favour with the various antennas I have cycled through. Usually the bottom of the T2LT is pretty high up above ground, always minimum 1/2 wave and often a bit more than that so I would have thought that would give it less chance for the bottom half to be influenced. It could just be stray CM on that coax under said choke in conjunction with the slightly unbalanced thing is affecting take off angle somehow. Anyway I loathe to use one again so will carry on thinking this through. It is also more interesting to experiment... an ultimately more satisfying to use something a little more out of the ordinary. Does a[B] "no radial" dual choked 5/8[/B] start increasing its lowest radiation angle or reducing gain at said angle ? If not that could be the one for me. I could always have "minimal radials" 64 x 2 feet stubby ones just for the hell of it, it may help the match, I'd better get my soldering iron out. That may well be the ultimate compromise. I am going to guess that the feed line is radiating and messing the pattern up a bit with some T2LT's.. maybe I was just unlucky both times.. twice is enough to have given them a chance. [/QUOTE]

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