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I want to get 1-1 swr .... It can be done I think. May take a bunch of testing and re testing.
I actually got a slight bit lower swr at the beach and couple days back....took it apart re set up in the drive and the swr changed with the same antenna set I had at the beach....different ground and area. I know this would change the swr but had zero luck moving and re testing various lengths and tap points on the tuning ring. If the ring adds or sets resonance at 3/4 wave would the measurements be the radiator toal length plus the coil length give or take and inch or two?? Equal 3/4 wave ?? Or stated another way, total length of radiator+ the coil length equals= 3/4 wave in feet/inches
Take off angles are touted as the all important Dx tool of all Dx tools? That why i chose the vertical antenna to use at the beach....mast height is an issue I have no beam, so wanted a low TOA. Verticals at low heights are taked about as having a lower TOA than a horizontal antenna at low heights?? While looking at beam patterns I note some nulls are in a low take off area so any Dx coming from that particular angle would be unheard or weak....say for example you would have a major lobe at 12 degrees and work Dx at that angle of arrivial then a null at say 14-16 degrees. Signals arriving at these low but null pattern angles would go unheard. Or be weak copies. With these things in consideration a beam would be better for Dx with a relatively low angle of departure and a larger active lobe say from 10 degrees to 20 degrees without any null such as a vertical pattern has ?? I seems to me verticals would be a better Dx antenna with the exception of not having the gain and being able to be turned thus attenuating signals from some angles. Power could make up for the gain? To some degree....use 300 rather than 50 would get the same gain as a 3 element beam?

<blockquote data-quote="ghutch" data-source="post: 396738" data-attributes="member: 15022">I want to get 1-1 swr .... It can be done I think. May take a bunch of testing and re testing. I actually got a slight bit lower swr at the beach and couple days back....took it apart re set up in the drive and the swr changed with the same antenna set I had at the beach....different ground and area. I know this would change the swr but had zero luck moving and re testing various lengths and tap points on the tuning ring. If the ring adds or sets resonance at 3/4 wave would the measurements be the radiator toal length plus the coil length give or take and inch or two?? Equal 3/4 wave ?? Or stated another way, total length of radiator+ the coil length equals= 3/4 wave in feet/inches Take off angles are touted as the all important Dx tool of all Dx tools?&nbsp; That why i chose the vertical antenna to use at the beach....mast height is an issue I have no beam, so wanted a low TOA. Verticals at low heights are taked about as having a lower TOA than a horizontal antenna at low heights??&nbsp; While looking at beam patterns I note some nulls are in a low take off area so any Dx coming from that particular angle would be unheard or weak....say for example you would have a major lobe at 12 degrees and work Dx at that angle of arrivial then&nbsp; a null at say 14-16 degrees. Signals arriving at these low but null pattern angles would go unheard. Or be weak copies. With these things in consideration a beam would be better for Dx with a relatively low angle of departure and a larger active lobe say from 10 degrees to 20 degrees without any null such as a vertical pattern has ?? I seems to me verticals would be a better Dx antenna with the exception of not having the gain and being able to be turned&nbsp; thus attenuating signals from some angles. Power could make up for the gain? To some degree....use 300 rather than 50 would get the same gain as a 3 element beam?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ghutch, post: 396738, member: 15022"] I want to get 1-1 swr .... It can be done I think. May take a bunch of testing and re testing. I actually got a slight bit lower swr at the beach and couple days back....took it apart re set up in the drive and the swr changed with the same antenna set I had at the beach....different ground and area. I know this would change the swr but had zero luck moving and re testing various lengths and tap points on the tuning ring. If the ring adds or sets resonance at 3/4 wave would the measurements be the radiator toal length plus the coil length give or take and inch or two?? Equal 3/4 wave ?? Or stated another way, total length of radiator+ the coil length equals= 3/4 wave in feet/inches Take off angles are touted as the all important Dx tool of all Dx tools? That why i chose the vertical antenna to use at the beach....mast height is an issue I have no beam, so wanted a low TOA. Verticals at low heights are taked about as having a lower TOA than a horizontal antenna at low heights?? While looking at beam patterns I note some nulls are in a low take off area so any Dx coming from that particular angle would be unheard or weak....say for example you would have a major lobe at 12 degrees and work Dx at that angle of arrivial then a null at say 14-16 degrees. Signals arriving at these low but null pattern angles would go unheard. Or be weak copies. With these things in consideration a beam would be better for Dx with a relatively low angle of departure and a larger active lobe say from 10 degrees to 20 degrees without any null such as a vertical pattern has ?? I seems to me verticals would be a better Dx antenna with the exception of not having the gain and being able to be turned thus attenuating signals from some angles. Power could make up for the gain? To some degree....use 300 rather than 50 would get the same gain as a 3 element beam? [/QUOTE]

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