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VAGUE?



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The biasing stuff isn't a secret. I actually had an idea like this not too long ago, but I didn't think about it in terms of trying to make money off it for the forum. Anyway, I'm open to giving just about anything a try if there's enough people to contribute and participate...


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Sounds good I dont think it will hurt any amp builder out here.There's not very many that would spend the money for a kit and then try to make it work when they could buy one that is rock solid from a builder.73's


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I think the idea would be interesting. The art of building amplifiers is not a science and even with theory in there to understand you will have to do testing, so it will be intersting.



So which bias do you guys prefer anyhow active or passive? Just curious. Also designs on high VSWR protection circuits, and other protection devices can be exchanged.



So far I have helped several or atleast told several people just about all I know and in the process it made me think of some things in a different light which intern helped me.



Good luck with the idea...


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For a SSB talker, I prefer a clean AB-1 amp. Maybe not as much useable power but clean. Any VSWR protection would be really good. A lot could be done to improve the basic models that are out now. Not everyone is an AM/Keydown operator.<img src=http://www.wwdx.org/smilies/posticon25.gif ALT=":25">


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Hello Folks

I got an Idea for the Folks here are WWRF!

We can make money for the forum or even a new Forum!

Plus we can all learn something from each other at the same time. Yes it's going to cost those who are in volved some cash. But it will be affordable for everyone. Details will come soon.

All proceeds will go into the forum.



So for now what do you guys think?



Rfmatrix


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"The art of building amplifiers is not a science"........

that would definitely be the impression one would get looking at the junk built for the cb aftermarket, which is too bad because amplifier design and construction is without a doubt a "science." one only has to take a look inside any amp out there to see that no thought whatsoever has been given to filtering the harmonic content from solid state amplifiers, a necessity when working with a non-linear junction device such as a bipolar transistor. there's plenty of room for science and improvements in these designs.
 
i'll be more than glad to provide input to the project.

but if anyone wants to do something "revolutionary" with respect to amplifier design, you can start by providing spurious suppression at levels @ or in excess of -40db. (up to 500 watts) in compliance with fcc guidelines. i realize that those involved in competition will balk at this idea but then again, overvolting and overdriving these things is NO SCIENCE.

just one other thing. there are changes coming soon in the transistor manufacturing industry and the popular devices will no longer be able to tolerate the type of abuse that they have been subject to up to this point in time. in addition the industry is getting ready to make the jump from bipolar to mosfet designs that could make the project under consideration here moot. i am unable to go into this in any further detail but all i can say is get ready.

right now i am in the process of designing a 9 pole Chebyshev LPF that will provide stopband attenuation of approximately 75 - 80 db. harmonic suppression @ 54 mhz. and beyond with a 3 db. rolloff and a similar amount of passband ripple. up to this point in the construction of most of the better designed amplifiers on the market there isn't too much room for improvement, aside of experimentation with active bias designs. the rest is all bells and whistles.

if any of the accomplished builders would like a copy of the filter design program that i am currently using they can email me at their convenience. i would appreciate some input myself along these lines.
 
Hey, perpetual-motion machines anyone?

Honest. If you skip using instruments that can show you the result of your efforts, you can claim any BS result you wish.

Every "over-unity" claim I ever saw in any detail smacked of sloppy measurements and math that would get a flunking grade in any high-school (junior college?) lab class.

A "something-for-nothing" amplifier design is the same mistake, in a different specialty. If you JUST use a wattmeter to judge your outcome, no spec-an, no 'scope, not even a listen to what it sounds like, you can claim whatever you like.

Making use of normal RF design-analysis instruments would just "burst the bubble" for the wattmeter-only "designers".

Wattmeter readings sell product. May be all wrong, but it's a fact. If that's what attracts the paying customers, it's what people will build.

Making claims about things you can't (won't) measure and can't prove is just routine in the black-market linear trade. Always has been, really.

The "Let's try this. Nobody else has" crowd has the creative spark, but that's about it. Most "nobody else has tried this" kinds of design end up being bad ideas. That's why the legit design engineers "have never tried this". They tried it, proved it foolish, and collectively forgot to point it out. How many "1001 things that WON'T work" book titles have you seen in the book store?

Sure, there are always things that the engineering types don't know, or haven't thought of yet. Just because there is room for SKILLED creativity doesn't mean that randomly shuffling the deck "just to try this" will give you a working result. Not very often, anyway.

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