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I think that if you 'mix' both of those papers and solve for the median values, that worrying excessively about the lowest TOA is a waste of good worry. Sure, it's nice to have a low TOA, but it's not always the 'best' that there is for existing conditions. There are just too many variables for an absolute 'standard'. It's always going to depends on the existing variables for each and every situation/location. The 'best' anyone can hope for is making notes about your particular antenna set up over a fairly long period of time. Those notes should also make note of propagation conditions, time of year and anything else you can think of that might affect things. Keeping those records on a computer's data base could yield a fair guess for possible results for the existing conditions at any particular time. If it doesn't, then there's something you're missing in those records. (It's the 'little things' that get'cha dang near every time! Right?)
I don't know about you, but I'm not going to live long enough to compile a comprehensive data base like that. Besides, I'm too lazy. I figure the best I can do is to do what I can manage and then just try the band(s) and see what happens. Hmm. Sounds a lot like what people do now, don't it??
- 'Doc

<blockquote data-quote="W5LZ" data-source="post: 344667" data-attributes="member: 129">I think that if you &#039;mix&#039; both of those papers and solve for the median values, that worrying excessively about the lowest TOA is a waste of good worry.&nbsp; Sure, it&#039;s nice to have a low TOA, but it&#039;s not always the &#039;best&#039; that there is for existing conditions.&nbsp; There are just too many variables for an absolute &#039;standard&#039;.&nbsp; It&#039;s always going to depends on the existing variables for each and every situation/location.&nbsp; The &#039;best&#039; anyone can hope for is making notes about your particular antenna set up over a fairly long period of time.&nbsp; Those notes should also make note of propagation conditions, time of year and anything else you can think of that might affect things.&nbsp; Keeping those records on a computer&#039;s data base could yield a fair guess for possible results for the existing conditions at any particular time.&nbsp; If it doesn&#039;t, then there&#039;s something you&#039;re missing in those records.&nbsp; (It&#039;s the &#039;little things&#039; that get&#039;cha dang near every time!&nbsp; Right?)I don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;m not going to live long enough to compile a comprehensive data base like that.&nbsp; Besides, I&#039;m too lazy.&nbsp; I figure the best I can do is to do what I can manage and then just try the band(s) and see what happens.&nbsp; Hmm.&nbsp; Sounds a lot like what people do now, don&#039;t it??&nbsp;- &#039;Doc</blockquote>

[QUOTE="W5LZ, post: 344667, member: 129"] I think that if you 'mix' both of those papers and solve for the median values, that worrying excessively about the lowest TOA is a waste of good worry. Sure, it's nice to have a low TOA, but it's not always the 'best' that there is for existing conditions. There are just too many variables for an absolute 'standard'. It's always going to depends on the existing variables for each and every situation/location. The 'best' anyone can hope for is making notes about your particular antenna set up over a fairly long period of time. Those notes should also make note of propagation conditions, time of year and anything else you can think of that might affect things. Keeping those records on a computer's data base could yield a fair guess for possible results for the existing conditions at any particular time. If it doesn't, then there's something you're missing in those records. (It's the 'little things' that get'cha dang near every time! Right?) I don't know about you, but I'm not going to live long enough to compile a comprehensive data base like that. Besides, I'm too lazy. I figure the best I can do is to do what I can manage and then just try the band(s) and see what happens. Hmm. Sounds a lot like what people do now, don't it?? - 'Doc [/QUOTE]

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