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Well I am not going to get excited till more time has past but, I had some 10 year old weathered rg8x, about 18 or 20 feet. I added it in line then connected it to my current choke and swr's are way low, no tvi unless I crank the amp to high and the swr's only vary a few tenths or less depending on power level. I chalk that up to cheap swr meter and repeatability. I tried my old radio shack swr meter also and pretty much the same as the workman brand other than down on 11 meters the radio shack shows high swr like I would suspect since the antenna is tuned for 10 meters. The workman shows about the same swr's on 10 and 11 meters. That can't be right because the ar10 is not that broad banded. I am going to see how it works for a while and then get another length of rg213u to replace the rg8x if it works out. Wonder what length I should get?