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Thank you all for the input on this Top-One / copy of the Astro-Plane. Surely a strange and different kind of antenna for sure. This one is only 10.5 feet high as well, my friend has talked on this antenna in the past off a 20 foot push up pole and surprising did very well on it, locally he always seemed to hold his own on about 150 watts on the side. He always said that he had the best of times shooting skip on it as well. He has resently moved and can't have a antenna outside his mobile home , but he does have a very large tree right out side his place , it looks like this one won't work in the tree to very well )-: looks like he needs to get a imax or a 99 for his troubles. Thanks again all.