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007,

you are correct i am not the type to make bs up to look good or aid my financial situation, what i claim is what we see, i set out to understand how that can be when everybody worth their salt knows that a single element vertical longer than about .64wave provides less usefull gain on the horizon due to the formation of high angle lobes,

i dont claim to fully understand how the sigma works and i am always looking to learn,


in their defence the j-pole camp have provided nothing by way of an alternative method of operation for the sigma style antenna in 5 years of debating this topic other than the j-pole nonesense and i dont expect them to when they also dont undertsand feedlines, gammas, chokes, sleeve baluns, cm currents, ballanced/unballanced antenna currents,



shockwave


"To make a long argument shorter"  lol thats wishfull thinking,


what cebik told me is what i posted,

i did not add my bit on twist to make it fit my argument or otherwise,

what he said including not wanting to get involved with pages of meanigless argument this type of antenna often generates and that what i was claiming was perfectly possible due to the none aparent colinear effect is EXACTLY what he told me,


heres my current ( no pun intended ) take on whats going on which i will update/ammend as i learn more,