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are you confusing what effect the radials have on transmissionline mode impedance in a sleeve monopole and what lengths we end up with?,


from my first post in this thread,


"sleeve to monopole spacing  effects impedance as does element diameter ratio, the closer spacing of the  sleeve in the sigma design lowers antenna impedance"


freecells post


"conversely, as the radial elements are  raised the input impedance is lowered.

as the radials are raised towards the  radiating element something else interesting occurs. the

radiating element  becomes less sensitive to the influence of surrounding objects and terrain

in  the near field, allowing the antenna to be mounted in locations and at heights  above ground

that would be extremely deleterious not only to the feedpoint  match but also to the radiated

pattern emanating from the radiating  element.


as the radials are swept upwards towards the radiating element  capacitance between the radials

and the radiating element increases,  effectively raising the resonant frequency of the system

or causing the  electrical length of both the radials and the radiating element to be  shortened"


further up this page


."secondly as the radials are  swept closer to the central monopole impedance drops and resonant frequency of  both radial sleeve and monopole goes up,

conventional maths for electrical  length go out of the window as you sweep the radials up towards the central  monopole,

for instance a gamma fed monopole with 90 degree radials that is  electrically 3/4wave will be less than 3/4wave when you sweep the radials  up"

 

 from the arrl

 

 If the sleeve elements were brought closer  to

 the central monopole such that the ratio of  the spacing to element diameter was less than 10:1, then the characteristic  impedance of the 3-wire transmission

 line would drop to less than 250 W. At 28

 MHz, Zremains essentially unchanged,  while ZT

 begins to edge closer to 52 as the spacing is  reduced.

 At some particular spacing the characteristic  impedance, as determined by the D/d ratio, is just right to transform the end  impedance to exactly 52 at some frequency. Also, as the spacing is decreased, the  frequency where the impedance is purely resistive gradually  increases.


again i am not saying this IS how its working , its all i can find that seems  even close  at the moment, im sure theres more to it,

if you read my first post i used the open sleeve antenna as an example that just because there are currents flowing in opposite directions in the lower 1/4wave it does not mean that radiation from the radial sleeve cannot combine constructively with radiation from the upper 1/2wave to increase gain.


commercial 3/4wave sleeve antennas i have seen have the same claimed gain as the vector with radiation angles @  above or below the horizon, gain is higher and radiation angle lower than a 5/8wave groundplane, the tradeoff  seems to be a small reduction in vertical beamwidth.