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i can understand why mr cebik did not want to get into arguments with folk he said did not understand that design,


i agree with w8ji, our tests are far from scientific,


on the other hand the results are typical of what you will see if you install your antennas like 99% of people do, not isolated and not very high above ground,


unless that is you live in cali, then they only work better than a groundplane if you are ginger,


they work great if you live in TN and have the antenna isolated and choked like the one below;)