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[USER=18]@bob85[/USER],  I don't know either..., but it does cause me to want to build another 2m version and try to figure out a way to determine changes in the antenna's performance by making changes to the angle of the radials to the vertical. The 2m version makes it quite easy to get above 1.5 wavelengths high.

[USER=30]@freecell[/USER] what I've been asking for is a photo of a working model of this antenna you have made with those improvements, and, if it exists, how you substantiated in the real world that those improvements gained the results you anticipated.