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Clothes Line Groundplane

HomerBB

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I had some of the parts of one of these Umbrella Clothes Dryers left from a previous aluminum scavenge for another project so I decided to convert it into a 1/4ƛ GP antenna. A little time and pulling together odds and ends and I have this.

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Currently it is just above the ridge line of my roof, about 23' above the ground. I did QSO with 2WR11_Robb and 2WR270_Joe on the West Coast with it this afternoon.
 
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WoW...

Interesting..
Building an Antenna ( Decent one it looks too )
Plus being Green by Recycling to Boot..

Impressive indeed
 
Thank you, Sir.

Another look at the 1/4 wave.

A closer in view of the feed point. I used an aluminum flat bar to bridge between the coax connector and the vertical radiator. This enabled me to raise the connector bracket up some shortening the distance between the SO239 x 3/8-24 connector and the base of the vertical. This brought the SWR down a little to 1.0:1 on ch. 1 and 1.1:1 on ch.40.

I also raised the antenna up to 36 feet at the feed point.

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I have to bring the tops of the four radials up closer to the feed point, too. I do not wish for the current distance between the coax connection and the beginning of the radials. I want as of the actual length of the radials to be attributed to the point at which they flair outward. Currently the strap between the SO239 x 3/8-24 bracket and the top of the radials contributes length I do not need/want.

 
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Thank you, Sir.

Another look at the 1/4 wave.

A closer in view of the feed point. I used an aluminum flat bar to bridge between the coax connector and the vertical radiator. This enabled me to raise the connector bracket up some shortening the distance between the SO239 x 3/8-24 connector and the base of the vertical. This brought the SWR down a little to 1.0:1 on ch. 1 and 1.1:1 on ch.40.

I also raised the antenna up to 36 feet at the feed point.

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I have to bring the tops of the four radials up closer to the feed point, too. I do not wish for the current distance between the coax connection and the beginning of the radials. I want as of the actual length of the radials to be attributed to the point at which they flair outward. Currently the strap between the SO239 x 3/8-24 bracket and the top of the radials contributes length I do not need/want.

Homer I think highly of the Starduster design.

What does the copper tubing do?

I think you're right this setup adds a little length, but with such a good match why bother with a fix? The Merlin uses a similar setup I think, maybe even more so.

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How does this one compare?
 
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Homer I think highly of the Starduster design.

What does the copper tubing do?
Because the radials attachment at the top of the radials is a plastic material I needed a means of mechanically connecting the four radials that conducted current. That is the purpose of the copper ring - nothing more. I will likely replace it with some aluminum material in order to avoid any potential galvanic activity between the metals.
I think you're right this setup adds a little length, but with such a good match why bother with a fix?
First, I think it prevents me having to cut off more than necessary of my radials. The end sections of each radial is made of fiberglass mobile whips. Also, although it shouldn't matter at 11 meters HF, the topic of symmetry has arisen a time or two. When I consider the need for the angle of the radials on a 1/4 wave GP to be right in order to set feed point impedance I find myself wanting to keep the radials as near the feed point as I can. If I can close the distance between the top of the radials where the angle begins I can not see whether there would be any harm, and there may be some benefit. As it is now, the top of the radials are more than twice the distance from the SO239 x 3/8-24 connector than the bottom of the vertical. I just want it tighter.
The Merlin uses a similar setup I think, maybe even more so.
I believe you're right about the Merlin having a similar setup. I never actually tried to replicate the Merlin, it just worked out that way. You will notice the two halves of the antenna are equidistant from the SO239 connector.

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How does this one compare?

I have had it up just a little while, but so far it is noticeably noisier than the Moxon horizontal beam. That could well be a polarity difference. On the other hand, when the noise level drops it has good receive. I made a few contacts with it today, but skip is unreliable as a test except to say it is useful. Time to test the consistency of the antenna under conditions might say more. I also spoke to some stations locally this evening whose distances ranged from 1/4 mile out to 2 miles, then to 10 miles, and on out to 30 miles. The 30 mile station is due north of me and was pointed west with a 4 element beam horizontally polarized when we first made contact. The contact was solid and clearly readable at both ends*. Naturally, when I went horizontal with the Moxon, and we were pointed at each other it was as if he had moved to town. Nevertheless, it is as good a contact vertical to horizontal as I've ever made at that distance.
The antenna shows promise.

*My 2950 has no bars, not an analog meter. I can not report on S-units.
 
I moved the radials upward toward the feed point so that both halves of the antenna are close to the coax connector.

No lengths of either the vertical or the radials changed except for the removal of the length that was imposed by the previous distance between the radials and the coax connector.

Unfortunately I took the wrong camera with me to get photos of the work done and they were almost totally useless. I hope what I could salvage helps until I lower the antenna again and get more photos.

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They are blurry and B/W but the best I can do except for the one distant shot of it.

I checked the SWR with the changes noted and this time the SWR is now 1.0:1 on both ch. 1 and ch. 40
 
looks good, i have a 102" on the peak of my house with some copper wires for ground plane. i see you have a coil of coax, is this what they call a choke?? what does it do and would it benifit my antenna setup to put one on it?
 
looks good, i have a 102" on the peak of my house with some copper wires for ground plane. i see you have a coil of coax, is this what they call a choke?? what does it do and would it benifit my antenna setup to put one on it?
Your antenna is the same as mine just as you have figured but for the materials used.
And, yes, the coax coil is a choke. If properly made it will assist in reducing the level of Common Mode Current (CMC) - what folks often inaccurately refer to as feedback - from traveling the coax back toward the shack.
 

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