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Well it looks like i found the vertical Extended Double Zep I was looking for.  This one uses coax for the radiating elements and a configuration similar to the RFD - Reasonat Feedline Dipole.


Now I just have to figure out how to re-design it in aluminum tubing to get the self supporting kind that I want.


vk2zoi.com/articles/double-five-eighth-flower-pot/