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One of the problems with ham radio is that its (at times) hostile to outsiders.
By outsiders, I mean licensed ham, but new (or infrequent user) to a particular frequency or repeater.

Some hams want to hear callsigns right away if they dont recognize the voice. And if they recognize the voice, somehow the station seems to be exempt from identifying.
§97.119 says station must identify every ten minutes and at the end. Doesnt say anything about the beginning of transmission, but some hams think it does i guess. And this gives a hostile impression to new users.

The other item is repeaters. on VHF/UHF you are at the mercy of the control operators when using a repeater. Often control operators turn off repeater when they dont like whats being said, even though there are no rules violation. Its their equipment, but the frequency belongs to everybody. So guess what: when you turn the repeater off, the frequency is restored to use by everybody. This is what gives HF the advantage: no control operator who gets his panties in a bunch.

This is the allure of 11 meters: everybody is accepted as equals, even voices you dont recognize. Nobody sitting on a kill switch like on vhf/uhf repeaters.

<blockquote data-quote="dudmuck" data-source="post: 133029" data-attributes="member: 3904">One of the problems with ham radio is that its (at times) hostile to outsiders.By outsiders, I mean licensed ham, but new (or infrequent user) to a particular frequency or repeater.Some hams want to hear callsigns right away if they dont recognize the voice.&nbsp; And if they recognize the voice, somehow the station seems to be exempt from identifying.§97.119 says station must identify every ten minutes and at the end.&nbsp; Doesnt say anything about the beginning of transmission, but some hams think it does i guess.&nbsp; And this gives a hostile impression to new users.The other item is repeaters.&nbsp; on VHF/UHF you are at the mercy of the control operators when using a repeater.&nbsp; Often control operators turn off repeater when they dont like whats being said, even though there are no rules violation.&nbsp; Its their equipment, but the frequency belongs to everybody.&nbsp; So guess what: when you turn the repeater off, the frequency is restored to use by everybody.&nbsp; This is what gives HF the advantage: no control operator who gets his panties in a bunch.This is the allure of 11 meters: everybody is accepted as equals, even voices you dont recognize.&nbsp; Nobody sitting on a kill switch like on vhf/uhf repeaters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dudmuck, post: 133029, member: 3904"] One of the problems with ham radio is that its (at times) hostile to outsiders. By outsiders, I mean licensed ham, but new (or infrequent user) to a particular frequency or repeater. Some hams want to hear callsigns right away if they dont recognize the voice. And if they recognize the voice, somehow the station seems to be exempt from identifying. §97.119 says station must identify every ten minutes and at the end. Doesnt say anything about the beginning of transmission, but some hams think it does i guess. And this gives a hostile impression to new users. The other item is repeaters. on VHF/UHF you are at the mercy of the control operators when using a repeater. Often control operators turn off repeater when they dont like whats being said, even though there are no rules violation. Its their equipment, but the frequency belongs to everybody. So guess what: when you turn the repeater off, the frequency is restored to use by everybody. This is what gives HF the advantage: no control operator who gets his panties in a bunch. This is the allure of 11 meters: everybody is accepted as equals, even voices you dont recognize. Nobody sitting on a kill switch like on vhf/uhf repeaters. [/QUOTE]

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