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I've heard rigs that have been modified have clean audio. Whats the point if the staion on the other end needs to ask the other station to constantly repeat what they're saying? That clipped over golden screwdrivered "super tuned"modification audio always and I mean always sucks. I swear those guys listening to that audio it. I find it difficult to understand what the hell most of them are saying. I don't know if there's a difference but I must admit to being a deleted audio limiter person myself. That's only with one single transceiver. My Sonar FS 2340 has had its audio limiter bypassed. I did it so I can use an amplified d104 or Demco modulator. I've used the amplified d104 on my Sonar but prefer to use a non-amplified d104 and the Demco modulator. I can say with 100% honesty that I get nothing but clear clean and loud ass audio reports when I with the Sonar. I have read and heard said on YouTube videos that the 2340 sonar and a Demco modulator is an audio monster. Audio monster might be stretching it just a little bit. But with that limiter bypass and a amplified d104 or Demco modulator they are one of the best (imo) am only 40 channel tube transceivers from that time period. I do understand that because of the limiter bypass there might be some bleed over as those modifications definitely cause second harmonics or at least cause them to be worse then a transceiver that hasn't had its limiter removed. I've never had anyone complain about bleed over. I don't know if there's a difference when doing such a modification on a transistorized radio as opposed to a tube rig but I must say that splashing anyone has never been an issue. Can bypassing or deleting an audio limiter on a transistorized transceiver and still sound good? My guess would be yes. I hear a lot of good sounding cb 11 meter transceivers on the air and I'm sure a large portion of those have had their limiters deleted besides other audio modifications. I guess the other factors are how high one turns up their power mic and if one should have a transceiver mic gain. And that too is turned up all the there can only be one outcome. And that is shitty audio! Very shity audio. The other thing I never understood is this 1 watt dead key carrier swinging to 30, 40 or even an insane 50 Watts. WTF?! I truly believe in the one to four method although I must admit I don't follow it. Don't get me wrong I'm not running a 1 1/2 watt carrier and having it wing to 50 Watts. But I do normally run all my transceivers at 11/2 Watts dead key swinging to 13. That ratio seems to drive my amplifiers just fine. And my audio reports are always decent. Do I have the loudest station on the air? Not by any means. But I can say with certainty especially in the case of the Madison. Since I had the Madison limiter replaced and some other adjustments the Madison now unlike before gets excellent reports. I know the difference between a clipped audio limiter in a Madison and a non clipped one. And the difference is tremendous. Without the limiter I used to get very poor reports. With the limiter I get very good reports both on SSB and AM. Keep the audio clean and don't concentrate on how loud you are. Loud doesn't always equate to clean clear audio.there's always a sweet spot and once you find it get out the crazy glue and stop turning those knobs every minute. 73

<blockquote data-quote="Sonar" data-source="post: 667744" data-attributes="member: 47153">YouI&#039;ve heard rigs that have been modified have clean audio. Whats the point if the staion on the other end needs to ask the other station to constantly repeat what they&#039;re saying?&nbsp; That clipped over golden screwdrivered &quot;super tuned&quot;modification audio always and I mean always sucks. I swear those guys listening to that audio it. I find it difficult to understand what the hell most of them are saying. I don&#039;t know if there&#039;s a difference but I must admit to being a deleted audio limiter person myself. That&#039;s only with one single transceiver. My Sonar FS 2340 has had its audio limiter bypassed. I did it so I can use an amplified d104 or Demco modulator. I&#039;ve used the amplified d104 on my Sonar but prefer to use a non-amplified d104 and the Demco modulator. I can say with 100% honesty that I get nothing but clear clean and loud ass audio reports when I with the Sonar. I have read and heard said on YouTube videos that the 2340 sonar and a Demco modulator is an audio monster. Audio monster might be stretching it just a little bit. But with that limiter bypass and a amplified d104 or Demco modulator they are one of the best (imo) am only 40 channel tube transceivers from that time period. I do understand that because of the limiter bypass there might be some bleed over as those modifications definitely cause second harmonics or at least cause them to be worse then a transceiver that hasn&#039;t had its limiter removed. I&#039;ve never had anyone complain about bleed over. I don&#039;t know if there&#039;s a difference when doing such a modification on a transistorized radio as opposed to a tube rig but I must say that splashing anyone has never been an issue. Can bypassing or deleting an audio limiter on a transistorized transceiver and still sound good? My guess would be yes. I hear a lot of good sounding cb 11 meter transceivers on the air and I&#039;m sure a large portion of those have had their limiters deleted besides other audio modifications. I guess the other factors are how high one turns up their power mic and if one should have a transceiver mic gain. And that too is turned up all the there can only be one outcome. And that is shitty audio! Very shity audio. The other thing I never understood is this 1 watt dead key carrier swinging to 30, 40 or even an insane 50 Watts. WTF?! I truly believe in the one to four method although I must admit I don&#039;t follow it. Don&#039;t get me wrong I&#039;m not running a 1 1/2 watt carrier and having it wing to 50 Watts. But I do normally run all my transceivers at 11/2 Watts dead key swinging to 13. That ratio seems to drive my amplifiers just fine. And my audio reports are always decent. Do I have the loudest station on the air? Not by any means. But I can say with certainty especially in the case of the Madison. Since I had the Madison limiter replaced and some other adjustments the Madison now unlike before gets excellent reports. I know the difference between a clipped audio limiter in a Madison and a non clipped one. And the difference is tremendous. Without the limiter I used to get very poor reports. With the limiter I get very good reports both on SSB and AM. Keep the audio clean and don&#039;t concentrate on how loud you are. Loud doesn&#039;t always equate to clean clear audio.there&#039;s always a sweet spot and once you find it get out the crazy glue and stop turning those knobs every minute. 73</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sonar, post: 667744, member: 47153"] You I've heard rigs that have been modified have clean audio. Whats the point if the staion on the other end needs to ask the other station to constantly repeat what they're saying? That clipped over golden screwdrivered "super tuned"modification audio always and I mean always sucks. I swear those guys listening to that audio it. I find it difficult to understand what the hell most of them are saying. I don't know if there's a difference but I must admit to being a deleted audio limiter person myself. That's only with one single transceiver. My Sonar FS 2340 has had its audio limiter bypassed. I did it so I can use an amplified d104 or Demco modulator. I've used the amplified d104 on my Sonar but prefer to use a non-amplified d104 and the Demco modulator. I can say with 100% honesty that I get nothing but clear clean and loud ass audio reports when I with the Sonar. I have read and heard said on YouTube videos that the 2340 sonar and a Demco modulator is an audio monster. Audio monster might be stretching it just a little bit. But with that limiter bypass and a amplified d104 or Demco modulator they are one of the best (imo) am only 40 channel tube transceivers from that time period. I do understand that because of the limiter bypass there might be some bleed over as those modifications definitely cause second harmonics or at least cause them to be worse then a transceiver that hasn't had its limiter removed. I've never had anyone complain about bleed over. I don't know if there's a difference when doing such a modification on a transistorized radio as opposed to a tube rig but I must say that splashing anyone has never been an issue. Can bypassing or deleting an audio limiter on a transistorized transceiver and still sound good? My guess would be yes. I hear a lot of good sounding cb 11 meter transceivers on the air and I'm sure a large portion of those have had their limiters deleted besides other audio modifications. I guess the other factors are how high one turns up their power mic and if one should have a transceiver mic gain. And that too is turned up all the there can only be one outcome. And that is shitty audio! Very shity audio. The other thing I never understood is this 1 watt dead key carrier swinging to 30, 40 or even an insane 50 Watts. WTF?! I truly believe in the one to four method although I must admit I don't follow it. Don't get me wrong I'm not running a 1 1/2 watt carrier and having it wing to 50 Watts. But I do normally run all my transceivers at 11/2 Watts dead key swinging to 13. That ratio seems to drive my amplifiers just fine. And my audio reports are always decent. Do I have the loudest station on the air? Not by any means. But I can say with certainty especially in the case of the Madison. Since I had the Madison limiter replaced and some other adjustments the Madison now unlike before gets excellent reports. I know the difference between a clipped audio limiter in a Madison and a non clipped one. And the difference is tremendous. Without the limiter I used to get very poor reports. With the limiter I get very good reports both on SSB and AM. Keep the audio clean and don't concentrate on how loud you are. Loud doesn't always equate to clean clear audio.there's always a sweet spot and once you find it get out the crazy glue and stop turning those knobs every minute. 73 [/QUOTE]

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