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Here's a mystery for you. aka How my day started.

Captain Kilowatt

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Sorry for the long post but bear with me.I got up this morning and tuned my FT-857 to 14.185 and listened for BS7H from Scarborough Reef. There he was 5x8 just like several days gone by that were also unsuccessful in my attempts to contact them. :( Anyway, he announced he was listening 14.265 for the east coast so I thought WTF I’ll give it yet another try. I called on the freq. and immediately noticed something wrong. :shock: The power was peaking at only 30-40 watts but the SWR was very low on the tribander as it always is. Everything was great last night! I then put out a carrier and noticed the radio seemed to be cycling at a very rapid pace ie. pulsing the TX signal. I switched to a dummy load and all was fine. Back to the antenna and again the same thing happened. It looked like the SWR protection was kicking in but the SWR was very low. I started checking cables as I thought perhaps the problem was a bad cable before the SWR meter. Hmmmm…..I should have the same results on a dummy load however, I thought, but all was great on a dummy load .I eliminated the antenna switch and switched cables directly. Good on load, bad on tribander with a great SWR. :x I am now starting to beat my head on the desk but wait,….it gets better.

I swept the band with my VFO while TX’ing a carrier into the tribander and notice the problem is only between 14.050 and 14.300. Outside that range things appear to be fine and normal. Great, there goes 20m I thought. Now what could be wrong with the rig that would act like that I thought. The answer was NOTHING as the rig worked fine on all freqs. on a dummy load. Begin round two of the head pounding on desk. :x :x

Now I fire up the Kenwood TS-820S and check things out. No problem whatsoever. Full power out and a low SWR as it should be. I hit the CW key again and then I noticed the external LDG-meter on my FT-857 get super bright! The meter light looked like it was going to supernova whenever I hit the TX button on the Kenwood. I have a home made meter panel on my Tripp Lite power supply for voltage and current and it showed normal current but the voltage went sky high whenever I transmitted. Back to the FT-857. The same thing happened with the power cutback but the meter light remained normal. Back to the Kenwood and the meter lit the room up even in daylight. Round three of the head banging begins. :x :x :x I moved the antenna around from the north where it was to pick up BS7H and swung it around further to the east-northeast to try a contact into eastern Europe. I called CQ and all was fine with the Kenwood. No bright lights or anything. I called on the Yaesu and all was fine. Good power out and everything. I held a carrier and swung the beam around. The problem ONLY appears when between 255 degrees thru NORTH to 35 degrees and ONLY on 20m. Even though it is a tribander antenna 10m and 15m are not affected! ( I forgot to mention I had tried those bands earlier). It would now appear that for some reason I have a REALLY bad RF problem in the shack that is causing the voltage regulator in my power supply to go nuts but only when the beam is pointed in a certain direction and that direction happens to be AWAY from the house. :?: :?: It would not show up when using the Yaesu as when the voltage went up the radio would shut down which would cause the problem to go away and then the radio would come back on and then it would all start over again extremely fast. The average power output from the rig was only reading about 30-40 watts and the average voltage to the meter light was low enough that it did not glow bright. The Kenwood was unaffected by it as it has it’s own power supply built in. I now suspect I have a problem with my cables where they wrap around the rotor and possibly have a short causing the RF problem but I would think I should have a high SWR when that happens. I can understand the problem changing with the antenna position but what gives with the relatively narrow band affected from 14.050-14.300? Now I have to climb the tower and check things out and of course I start my round of 12 hour shifts tonight so things can’t even be considered for at least five days from now. Wish me luck solving this one. I’m going to need it.

:x :evil: :x :evil: :( :? :x :evil: :( :x :x
 

QRN,
I really doubt if it has anything to do with your problem, but what's in the direction the antenna points that -might- affect things? I know that's sort of a 'stretch'. Might also look for any 'rubbing' that occurs when the antenna is pointed 'correctly'/'incorrectly'. But you've already thought of that, or why else would you climb the tower, right? Oh well, beats me.
- 'Doc
 
the thing is Doc,nothing has changed since 24 hours ago. Well,something has obviously but nothing I had control over. Nothing has been put in place in the "bad" direction. I live in a rural setting and nothing has changed for at least 1/4 mile away. I suspect a cable problem up the tower near the rotor and maybe,just maybe, it is an odd multiple of 1/4 wave long and as such the "short" may be presenting itself as an open circuit to RF and not affecting SWR. Right now that's my best guess until I dig out the ohmeter,antenna analyzer, and climbing harness. :?
 
...don't you just hate people who crow about their hazers?
- 'Doc

PS - Sold mine along with the tower a few years ago - lol.
 
W5LZ said:
...don't you just hate people who crow about their hazers?
- 'Doc

PS - Sold mine along with the tower a few years ago - lol.

Crow? hmmm. It might be a strech here, but could a bird perched on a radial of an antenna have this kind of effect? Brings to mind a local who has a tri-bander that now has a reflector element thats off-kilter. He said a big Buzzard landed on the far end of the radial and the weight of the bird moved the element down on one side. :roll:
 
It wouldn't cause my problem. I did have a reflector about 45 degrees off last year after a big ice storm.The element loosened up and eventually worked it's way along the boom to the center rocking and rolling in the wind. I forgot about it and turned the beam against the prevailing westerlies we get that time of the year. You guessed it,the element walked back along the boom until it fell off and crashed to the ground after a couple days. :shock: Scared the crap out of the wife who was in the back yard at the time. :lol: That's when I told I didn't have time to drop the beam to fix it because I was too busy with her honey do list. :x The vision in my left eye eventually came back to normal. :P
 
Traps should show a high SWR and rotating the antenna should have no affect but it does and the SWR is very good.I have had a change in my work schedule and the WX for Tuesday is calling for sun and highs of 72 degrees,ideal climbing wx as long as there is no or very little wind.

Yeah Hamer,Hazers are good for guys too chicken or too fat to climb. :P Actually I have a little of both of those traits in me but I climb anyway.I like donning a heavy safety belt and full body fall arrest harness,heavy boots with a stiff sole and dragging a dozen pounds of tools straight up only to find out that the only wrench/socket you forgot was the one needed to loosen the first bolt.I especially enjoy the sight of a wrench slipping from my grasp and plummitting to earth below only to disappear in the grass becoming bait for the lawnmower blade.My all time favorite thing about climbing however has got to be when the wind suddenly whips up out of nowhere when the tide changes.Yep,nothing like being on the side of a tower in a gale holding on to a large beam with one hand and praying to God you can get the boom back on the mounting plate before the next gust rips it from your hand and sends it on the express elevator to ground level.I have fond memories of several pulled muscles over things like that.More than once I thought how easy it would be to simply let go and rebuild it later.Yeah,Hazers have their place but I still enjoy climbing for all the good reasons outlined above.




Besides a Hazer won't fit on my freestanding Delhi tower :evil:
 
I got the hazer for FREE so I couldnt pass it up. Well not free but the wife of a silent key called and asked me to take down his 3 towers because her son was to sceered. :lol:

I took down all three towers and she said I can have all the antennas for doing it and I said I would really like the hazer and she said take it too.

I did real good with that.

She told another widow and I took down his 3 towers with some satelite antennas and hygain 20 meter beams and a tri bander, got to keep it all for the work :D

I am not affraid of the climb but now I dont have to
 
QRN said:
.........I swept the band with my VFO while TX’ing a carrier into the tribander and notice the problem is only between 14.050 and 14.300.........

Somebody help me out here, I seem to be having a senior moment and I am at a lose for words; What does the FCC (down here in the states) call it when you transmit without identifying your station?

Seems kinda hard to identify your station properly when you sweep 250 Kc; you could not possibly have monitored all those frequencies before you transmitted on them.

I wonder if your "Testing" maliciously interfered with any radio contacts already in progress?
 
Pickey,pickey,pickey. :wink: The VFO would have been on any one freq for about 100'th of a second during a sweep so no QRM. Name a ham that has not done the same thing. BTW what do you run for gear on any and all bands including 11m? :lol:
 
QRN said:
Pickey,pickey,pickey. :wink: The VFO would have been on any one freq for about 100'th of a second during a sweep so no QRM. Name a ham that has not done the same thing. BTW what do you run for gear on any and all bands including 11m? :lol:

Transmit while sweeping 250 Kc on a radiating antenna on 20 meters? ME, that's one

Answer to your question and, BTW, I no longer "Do" the 11 meter band, I just associate with many long time friends who still do.

edit to add: The Yaesu that you see here, look for me in the CW portion of the bands
 
And here I thought CW Morse was the only ham that never, ever, ever, broke any of the rules no matter how big or how tiny the infraction. :lol: :roll: :wink: Keep up the good work paws.I'll turn myself in first thing Monday morning. :wink:
 

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