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w5lz (doc) you make alot of sense there for sure....... i have had some experience with the input and output impedance differences and problems that can occur with them. im not going to say who is right or wrong. i am just thrilled that i have gotten so many great responses and help in finding the problem maker in my situation. as for now we have narrowed it down to the transistor amp. at this point i dont know for sure the cause of the problem but i have 2 excellent places to look for the trouble from 2 very helpful people. i just want to say that i would not even know where to look if it wasnt for your guys help. and for that i thank you very much

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