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its cool chief, i half expected to have my posts deleted, i can get carried away myself sometimes but i do own both antennas and many more, imho sharing experiences of different equipment is ok, 194 is basing his opinion on his buddies one experience while i am remembering all the imax that have snapped round here while the 10k has not even broke into a sweat,  i just aint gonna sit back and accept a total nonsense, the groundplanes and cap hat fell off at 65mph, now i can accept the cap hat may not have been crimped correctly which is the only way i see it comming off at 65, i simply dont believe that one guy got an i10k with  multiple faults on the groundplanes and the cap hat that rendered it a pile on the lawn at a measly 65mph wind, somebody needs a torque wrench :wink: