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Is there a max number of coax jumpers?

Cutlass327

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OK, Here Is something I have been curious about when I see benches full of meters,testers, etc and only one coax connection to a radio.

How does having multiple coax jumpers affect the antenna SWR? Say you have a radio, amp, power meter, switch between antenna and dummy load, freq injector for alignments, etc.. that 's a lot of 1-3 foot jumpers.

Does coax length really affect things for a base rig?
 
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Having all of those jumpers should not affect the SWR in any meaningful way.
If it does you have a problem.

The length also should not matter .. but here is a really good answer regarding that.
https://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/coax-length.234057/page-2#post-642422

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I want to add that having a bunch of equipment in line like counters, meters, and so on add insertion loss as well. It's going to be pretty small but unless you need all sorts of counters and wattmeters you should leave them out of your antenna system. More in this case in-line, as not better.
Ideally, radio straight to antenna.
 
Ok. I had seen a lot of conversations going both ways, that it matters and it doesn't. I'm figuring too that most test equipment is all inline to the dummy load.

Thanks for the reply
 
It depends on what you mean by test equipment.

I actually have very few pieces of test equipment that go inline.
Most of the time you are sampling a signal, not directly influencing it.
 
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Cheap jumper coaxes abound on the market and can be best described as 'throw aways'. Best to 'roll your own' and know that you have quality cable and connectors properly joined electrically. This is one sure way to have the best finished product with no issues - IMO . . .

If you don't have good cabling; then you can get open circuits - which under transmitter load can cause radio output failures - which can create down time and additional cost of repairs. Even worse can be intermittent/poor conductivity thru solder joints or bad spots in the cabling.

If you are referring to how many connections you can make before 'insertion' loss'; then that will depend on if the equipment uses a passive sampling or passes directly thru circuits with will result in impedance changes.
 
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Next time you see one of those vids, stop on the frames, back that bar up - click - click the mouse to move those frames as you need to view detail.

You'll see a lot of equipment - not even hooked up. Its' just a look-back, into their "shack" - an outhouse, an office in closet, or a basement in the parents house or a PODS storage unit parked out in a street somewhere. That's the home - away from home - which is his home - so it's ... home ... so, whether they spent too much on beer, drugs, vapes' and all I have left is this - my junk, er'-stuff. I'm not gonna to leave it in the box under the desk so I'm just gonna put it up and show you how intelligent I am...

Thank god for Polarized plugs...

Not sure of the grounding issues but hopefully their Medulla is not getting cooked by the umpteenth - harmonics...

Tin (Tim?) foil hat anyone?

It's the camera and body shaking that makes me wonder if there is a need for a CO detector in there....
 
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I have lots of test equipment but when I'm using my radio for its intended purpose it is radio-> antenna. My frequency counter uses an inductive pickup and no jumper required. It is primitive but it works really well. It also works for the oscilloscope too.
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OK, Here Is something I have been curious about when I see benches full of meters,testers, etc and only one coax connection to a radio.

How does having multiple coax jumpers affect the antenna SWR? Say you have a radio, amp, power meter, switch between antenna and dummy load, freq injector for alignments, etc.. that 's a lot of 1-3 foot jumpers.

Does coax length really affect things for a base rig?

Ok, I got slammed last time so I'll rephrase it so the RF Kops don't crash this thread again...

A lot of bench equipment may not be all connected...it may just sit there only to be pulled down and used...some devices pull power from the plug all the time for the heating and calibration; temperature and themal as well as instant start with little wait time for stability reasons - it can be a considerable drain of a budget, or a generator - depending on whom is, and where this is - all taking place.

But, if you pay closer attention to those "Benches" (Ahemn@Martin) they have a jumper to a box that is a switcher - it connects one device and branches off to others.

At least they should...

Some of those switchers have branches that go to a Tee fitting that is set up to "sample" the RF going thru it, terminated to going into a Dummy load or an antenna. That let's you see the signal thru whatever means they want to process and view it.

Yes, Coax is a connection from one to another - but with each connection - comes the price of insertion loss - it can get quite considerable as you expand the number of connections - not necessarily just the length of them. Part of the insertion loss is an impedance transformation too - so each connection generates a reflection due to itself.

Now back to why I said what I said earlier -

Don't take the stuff you see in their "pictures" or vids of their bench equipment as faithfully installed properly and for granted. Because unless they really need to show you something - I'd like to think common sense lines of thought as; they don't want to damage their finer pieces of equipment - they'd rather keep it offline and unused and protected from potential damages from the equipment that they are investigating. Thinking - well you certainly don't want any high power RF signal entering into equipment that is only set up for low level signal sniffing...that would be suicide...So while the edits and cutaways and fades and blurs are for the reason to them to shift focus on one piece of equipment to another and back to the task at hand of the radio under examination...that is their means of showing off their works.

Now this is not meant to slam all - just YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF DECEPTION. (After all you did ask the question and you raised up some very valuable lessons to be learned here...) Any good tech, knowledgeable in their field, would be more than happy to talk about the device used for testing - they just can't do it for the vid, post, blog or streaming - is for the subject the audience wants to see - so unless it is about the scopes ability to use X, Y and Luminance to show you fancy ray tracing - it's usually about a device the scope is being used to show the issue of...

So, while I tell you of the PREVIOUS Post - you should consider the premise of that post. For in many cases the equipment that they have may not be "certified" or even new, or working - they need to prove that to you - not just to those that need to see proof - they need to show the viewer what it does and why it is even used for the shoot.

Because in some ways, it's a ego stroking for their benefit to show others that they have equipment on hand. But what they may not tell you is, if they even know what purpose it is for, let alone how to use it.
 
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Yeah, I figured they weren't all connected all of the time. It was more of a matter of "if they are tuning with 5 devices inline, how accurate is it?"

I bought a couple of those switches on eBay, have the meter and dummy load on one side, straight to antenna on the other.
 

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