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.... and there's the problem with Sirio antenna's in a nutshell....and the point of my post. Like most things of yester year they were built better....but no longer. So you can't compare apples to oranges because they aren't the same animal. I ultimately sleeved mine to the next joint so it's still up and working but for a new product it shouldn't have to be done. We'll also see how long it survives.[ATTACH=full]64187[/ATTACH]