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multiple beams on a roof mounted tripod and a tall mast above a ham iv rotator

mr_fx

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I have a 3 foot tripod I would like to mount on my roof however I only can mount the ham IV rotatorabove the tripod because it will not fit inside the 3 foot tripod. I would like 2 mount a 10 meter to element aluminum moxon a 2 element. 6 meter aluminium moxon, and a 15 element. 2 meter yagi...

Questions:

Can these antennas be safely supported, assuming the tripod is properly installed

Will it be doable to mount these antennas on an unsupported mast mounted directly to a ham iv?

How tall should the mast be to support these antennas?

How tal of a mast can the rotor support?
 

A thought for you.
If you have a chunk of the mast above the rotor, but before the first antenna and mount a thrust bearing upside down and guided off, that will give you more support.
 
I would homebrew a tripod mount for a rohn 25 top section and put the rotor inside the tower.

The wind load of all those stacked yagi's is tremendous and trying to use a rotor outside the tower is just asking for disaster.

Google is your friend, for wind load of your rotor mounted inside a tower and outside the tower.

Stacking distances for yagi's is also available in google. W8JI has some info on stacking yagi's May not like what you find, but you can place the yagi's closer together and they will still perform.
 
I think I will homebrew A sort of tripod or quad pod that will allow me to mount the rotor internally I will not run A trust bearing but rather run a tube that is sizeD: to be a little bit bigger than the mast itself
 
I have a 3 foot tripod I would like to mount on my roof however I only can mount the ham IV rotatorabove the tripod because it will not fit inside the 3 foot tripod. I would like 2 mount a 10 meter to element aluminum moxon a 2 element. 6 meter aluminium moxon, and a 15 element. 2 meter yagi...

Questions:

Can these antennas be safely supported, assuming the tripod is properly installed

Depends on what you call properly installed. IMO that is far too much windload for a simple tripod mount unless you installed 2x4 or 2x6's across the rafters inside the house and bolted securely thru the roof and into them. Not lag screws either but bolts with large washers and nuts on the inside of the roof.

Will it be doable to mount these antennas on an unsupported mast mounted directly to a ham iv?


Again IMO no. You want to mount a two element 10m moxon, a two element 15m moxon, an unknown size 6m moxon and an unknown sized 2m yagi all on an unsupported mast on a tripod? The spacing would be next to nothing along with the associated problems of that or the long mast will not last in the wind and will likely damage the tripod as it all comes down.

How tall should the mast be to support these antennas?

A LOT longer than the tripod can handle and it cannot be simple swaged type masting either. The antennas will work close spaced but tuning and interaction will be quite an issue and performance will suffer. Ideally you would want to minimize this and placing the 15m at the bottom followed by the 6m, then 2m then finally the 10m at the top would be the best arrangement for minimising interaction of the 10 and 15m antennas but it places a higher wind load on the top of the mast. Placing the 15m at the bottom, then the 10m, then the 6m and finally the 2m minimizes the wind load but greatly increases the problems with the 10 and 15m antennas being so close together.

I understand the frustrations of stacking antennas and trying to stuff 10 pounds of crap into a 9 pound bag myself. I am currently trying to figure out how to stack an Explorer 14 for 10/15/20m with 40m kit installed, an A3WS for 12/17m, a six element 6m homebrew yagi, and a pair of 13B2 2m yagis for 2m SSB and possibly a Cushcraft A147-11 for 2m FM all on as short a mast as I can muster. I will have interaction I know but the minimum I can get it all down to is 15 feet above the top of the tower. It should be much more than that ideally but I don't live in an ideal world. :D

How tal of a mast can the rotor support?


That all depends on the wind drag. The more wind the shorter the mast. A rotator mounted on the end of a piece of pipe will have no where near the capacity as one mounted on a flat plate inside a tower with a thrust bearing of some type to take the sideways stresses off of it. IIRC a Ham IV can handle 15 sq. ft if tower mounted but only half that if mounted on a pipe and that assumes the mast is only a few feet long.
 
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Have to agree with CK all around. I've used those 3' tripods and they are not designed for anything more that a light tv antenna on a short short mast. You need a roof top tower like those made by Glen Martin Engineering to handle all those antennas, mast and rotator. They come is sizes 4.5 to 26 feet. The 4.5 ' model might handle what you want to do and is made to accept a rotor.

http://glenmartin.com/amateur-radio...nas/roof-top-towers/4-5-roof-top-tower-rt-424
 
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Have to agree with CK all around. I've used those 3' tripods and they are not designed for anything more that a light tv antenna on a short short mast. You need a roof top tower like those made by Glen Martin Engineering to handle all those antennas, mast and rotator. They come is sizes 4.5 to 26 feet. The 4.5 ' model might handle what you want to do and is made to accept a rotor.

4.5' Roof-Top Tower RT-424 | GlenMartin

You and CK are right on!....With that said look at the specs of the Glen Martin's(which are considered the strongest) the 4.5 ft version states mast out of the top MAX 5 ft.....You can not extend the mast past 8 ft on the 8 ft tripod...etc.
FX with what you want to run your looking at a minimum of 25G tower with 20 ft of mast, which means a Yaesu G-800 or Ham V or Better rotor plus a H/D thrust bearing.
My 25G is getting a 4 Element Tri-bander and 7 elements on 6m...that's using a G-1000 or Ham V(or tailtwister) rotor and a super-duty Thrust bearing with 6 Guys minimum(3 top/3 more 20ft down)...So something to ponder...
Unless you want to redo everything after the first big storm...
You might want to consider other antennas....A 2 element Maxon has as much wind load as a 3 element Yagi!
All the Best
Gary

NOW a HEX Beam may be right up your alley! but separate antennas takes much more strength!
Maybe a 10/6/2 Cubix quad but that will not fit a small tripod either
 
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I was planning to place the 20m, 15m and 10m moxons one one tripod and the 6m moxon, 2m 11 element and 70cm 28 element on an additional tripod
 
I was planning to place the 20m, 15m and 10m moxons one one tripod and the 6m moxon, 2m 11 element and 70cm 28 element on an additional tripod

Why not a small tribander like the A3S instead of 3 separate antennas?

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I agree with Binrat. An A3S would do well right at the top of a tripod with good mounting. Probably even put the 2m antenna on top and then the other tripod (not mentioned in your original post) could take the 6m and 70cm antennas.I would not mount the 6m and 2m on the same mount as there would likely be more interaction.
 

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