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Did I somehow offend you Soupman??  Everything in the post I wrote is basically the same as you.  Might want to cool your jets a bit man.  I have not hatred toward anyone, All I was doing was simply pointing out facts. 

Maybe you need to get yours together a bit before coming at people like you did.  The kenwood 480 comes in models, the 480sat and the 480hx,  which has no antenna tuner built in and is a 200 watt radio.  The 480sat is the 100w radio with the built in antenna tuner. Ask me how I know, my local pal owns one.  And I know of several others that own the HX model. It doesn't come with the antenna tuner. Or ATU, as you call it.  And it's a 200 watt radio.  Yes you are right you can only stuff so much in a case that case though.  Just thought I would point out your errors as you seemed to have tried to chew into my arse some.  For what idk.  Maybe you don't like a certain radio I mentioned?  About like every other person might say as well.  That is why it's called your opinion.  At any rate. If I am reading the post incorrectly, my bad and many apologies. But I am pretty sure what you were up to.  Go troll that stink bait somewhere else!!!!