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New Ham Questions

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I just became interested in communication on this level as a backup/emergency device when cellphones and land lines fail. I'm also interested in meeting more people at the same time.

I have the VX8-R on the way with the quick charger.

Now I just have to find a place to test and/or a club to hang out and learn enough to pass the test.

Is this type of communication very popular or is it still a niche field? I remember a buddy of mine in HS making one from parts he put togehter from radio shack and it worked but that's the last I heard of it or paid attention to it till now.

Can you just take the 50 question and be done?

How does the VX8R device rank up on the distance it's good for before you need a repeater? etc...

thanks
Jake
 
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ARRLWeb: Exam Session Search

That will show you the test schedules for your area.

Simply take one of the myriad of online sample tests until you are passing in the 80s or better consistently and you will have no trouble passing.

The licenses are

Technician - Entry level, allows for 50MHz and up primarily and all modes

General - Next step in a nutshell, this license gets you on the low HF bands 28MHz down to 160m band. This is generally where you make out of the country contacts.

Extra - All bands, all modes, open to US amateurs.

If you want to absorb the material and understand it, the ARRL License Manuals are great.

ARRLWeb: ARRL's License Manual Series

If you want a quickie route, take the online example tests and memorize the answers.

If you want a middle ground, the Gordon West study guides are tricks to remember the answers with little real info.

As for simplex range of hand held radios, a mile or so is all you should expect under normal use and good conditions. Elevation is the key to range as is gain of the antenna and the power of the radio. That's why repeaters are so popular...you can talk great distances on a portable or while mobile using one.
 
I have the ARRL level 1 technician book that I've been reading and the Dummies guide to Ham Radio. They both have a fair bit of information.

I want to get the cert that gives you all the items you can use while licensed.

It all seems overwhelming but then again ti's my 3rd day on the subject.

Thanks, i'll search for the online tests and hopefully test and finish it by the end of the month. I think there's a swap meet and club meet near Santa Monica at the end of each month.
 
Jake,
Ham radio is more or less whatever you want to make of it. It can be very much a build it yourself kind of thing, or never build anything. Just depends on what you want or like doing.
Is it a 'niche' type thingy? It certainly can be, and typically is in some respects. It's not quite as 'common' as playing golf, video games, etc, but not exactly as rare as bungee-jumping, sort of. The 'type' of communicating done is sort of the 'niche' thing, as in chasing distanct stations for contacts, contacting someone in all states, a sort of 'wallpaper' chasing thingy. If you can think of some means of communication, voice, teletype, TV, satelite stuff, whatever, there's someone involved in it in ham radio. So, various 'niches' develope, and of course, their's is always -the- way to do it and everyone else is missing out, right?
Handy-talkies.
They are primarily for very short range communications. Thats because of the frequncies/bands they operate on, and the rather short/stubby antennas on them. The antennas are the largest limiting factor for any VHF/UHF radios, handy-talkies, real live 'base' radios, whatever. VHF/UHF is a sort of "line of sight" thingy. Which means the higher the antenna the further away the radio can 'see'. Power has very little to do with range on VHF/UHF bands. So, repeaters do play a very important part in the VHF/UHF bands. They are also getting quite common, and because of that do require a couple of additional features for their use, such as 'tones' for recognition so that you can use them. Most newer hand-held radios have that feature along with gobs more.
Handy-talkies make for terrible 'first' radios, primarily because they are almost never simple to use, and because of their limited range. That's from my experience, so probably isn't valid for everyone! Just be aware of thier limitations.

The license testing can be broken down into three or four subjects. First is safety, as in don't harm/kill yourself. Radios stuff can have some very lethal voltages associated with it. Then there are the regulations for use of radios, who, what, where, when they can or can not be used. Third is theory, why this stuff works like it does. And fourth is operating practices/procedures. How to do stuff, and why it's that way (typically because it reduces confusion). So why a radio license to start with? About the same reason there are drivers license. Making sure (sort of) that people are competent to drive, or use a radio with out harming them selves or someone else. That makes sense, at least to me anyway.
A last word of warning! This stuff is as addictive as almost anything you can think of. It can get very expensive and time consuming. And it's a hell of a lot of fun too!
Enter are your own risk...
- 'Doc


"You spent how much for a stupid radio? ... Oh well, it's cheaper than a new bass-boat."
 
There are quite a few clubs in the Southern California area. You should be able to find something that pretty close to you.

There is a swap meet on the last saturday of each month at TRW. PM me if you want and I'll give you directions. There is frequently a setup doing testing there, but not always. Be advised, this particular swap meet has more computer junk these days than radio stuff, but it can still be interesting.

You'll find as you get into it more that there is an absolute ton of different things you can do with ham radio. In addition to some of what was already mentioned, you can also hook them up to your computer and send/receive email, pictures, files, etc over the radio to other hams or even other people connected to the internet!

Since you're interested in the emergency communications aspects, there are also organizations that are setup to work with the red cross, local police/fire, even military whose sole purpose is to be prepared for when the cell phones & internet go down.

It's a great hobby, and it's also very useful.
 
One other thing...

...your area of interest in ham radio is sort-of how I got started, too. I was first interested in CB as a kid on a long road trip with my family who got CBs to communicate between cars on our mini-caravan. Years later, I thought CBs were stupid, but needed to get one to put in my off road vehicle to be able to go wheeling and camping with friends. Shortly after I discovered "skip", which I thought was pretty cool. But the problem I discovered with CB while in the desert or mountains was that the range was too limiting to be an effective tool for an emergency.

A couple people started talking to me about ham radio and what it could do so I decided it would be a worthwhile venture to put into my off road vehicle so I could always be able to communicate when needed. Your cell phone is pretty useless in the middle of the mountains or desert...
 
Yea my second time out mountain biking was in an area with cell coverage (just not where I fell). When I went down and broke a couple ribs and scraped up myself pretty good... I just laid there waiting for my buddies to come back.

The first question they asked me was "Are you coming back out next weekend?" and my answer was "yes, even with broken ribs"... I fell 50 yards later over another dry bank at the creekbed but not as hard.

It was then I decided to do something for an emergency and the radios were the first step.

I have a CB in a pile of stuff at home as well and my gf swears that I will not place it on my mustang gt with a big whip antenna or she will kill me. I dont even have an antenna I told her... Lost it some years ago.

If this works pretty well for what it is I'd like to get a mobile unit and/or a base station (home setup) but who knows... I have so many hobbies I think I'll run out of money first. LMAO

Please send me the info for the meet down near the airport, Id like to show up and check it out.

I spent time in the military working on avionics and communications equipment on F4's, F14's and F18's and a few odd birds in between so I know what radio can do to a man's jewels etc... expecially radar in transmitt mode. I hope some of it comes back to me in my reading... and I guess I should have paid more attention in Avionics school.. hahahahahahahah

I'd love to get more involved.. I think Los Angeles is going to have "the big one" someday and I think I'll probably be around to see it... and I know radios will come in handy when that goes down.

Thanks for all the input guys... I'd love to come to the swap meet and/or any meetings you guys have here in LA.


Who knows, the life I save might be my own.

Many many Thanks,
Jake
 

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