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yes my estimates were a bit harsh, and could be worse.  i also had mobile to mobile on my mind, base to mobile and its going to improve alot.  terrain, weather, vegetation, interference from traffic lights and neon signs, buildings, and the solar cycle all play into it. 

right now, when the skip is coming in strong, this is the kind of range i expect during the day in the small towns and suburbs just outside the big city.