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question about a home made antenna design

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BOOTY MONSTER

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while surfing around i was looking at home made antenna designs and was at this site http://home.att.net/~wizardoz/cbmw/antenna_fabri.html#mobile looking at "Building a Vertical Gain CB Antenna" about 3/5ths down the page . in the pic it shows both the center conductor and the braid of the coax connected to the tuning loop . wouldnt that kill what ever amp/radio is tx'ing on it ? other home brew antenna/wire designs that ive seen keeps them (center conductor and braid) and what ever they're connected to isolated from each other . quack quack quack .
 

It looks like it's a dead short, and it is ... at DC.

As the frequency increases, the feedpoint impedance changes from zero to a particular value at a particular frequency. This allows you to adjust the feedpoint impedance to match the coax. Ringo VHF/UHF antennas have used this matching system for decades, with excellent results. At 27 MHz it'll work just as well, but the dimensions are greater (wavelength and frequency are inversely proportional).

There's no reason this antenna won't work, and work well. The amount of "gain" over a dipole, isotropic, or whatever won't be amazing, but this would be an excellent project.
 
it also seems to combine the designs of the wolf point 50 and point 64 .
http://www.wolfradio.com/ant_new.htm
using pvc pipe (or something similar of correct size as a insulator) between the radiator and g/p ,doing something similar to the mounting system of the wolfs instead of the 2x4 seems like it would really clean it up and make a better mount . and using a L bracket stud mobile mount would clean it up a lot too . how about using 102's instead of wire for the radials to allow freestanding use on shorter poles ? would using 4 straight/flat elements for the ground plane make much difference in performance or tuning vs. 3 at a 45 degree angle ? that would essentally duplicate the point 64 minus the top coil and capacitance hat . would the sliding gamma of the .64 be better to duplicate or stick with the .50 style ? are my ideas any good or am i showcasing my %100 newbness at antenna building ? lol


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BOOTY MONSTER,
Changing from that 2x4 to some other type of insulator ought to certainly work. It won't do much (if anything) about how well it would work, just change the antenna's appearance.
Using a 'stiff' wire, or a whip for the radials is also certainly a possibility. Changing the angle that the radials have to the vertical radiator changes the input impedance of the antenna. If you are using an impedance matching device (the 'ring') that has a wide enough range to handle that difference in input impedance produced by 90 degree radials as opposed to radials at 45 degrees, then the thing should work as well as with the wire radials. The 'shape' of the radials, round, flat, octagonal, whatever, makes very little (if any) practical difference in performance, only in looks.
The capacitive hat and "coil" on the '.64' antenna only does one thing, it electrically lengthens the antenna. Doesn't do anything about static. [Wanna get rid of some static electricity? Do away with all the 'pointy' things, no sharp points, as in a 'static ball' of some kind.]
Will the changes/modifications make a bunch of difference as far as how well the resulting antenna works? Not really. They also certainly won't hurt it, just make it different. That assumes that the thing was 'done' well to start with.
- 'Doc

[I have a problem with a few of 'Wolfe's opinions about some of his antennas. I think his 'gain' figures are sort of optimistic. And 'metal' antennas don't attract lightning like fiberglass ones do? Really? I wonder why all lightning attracting devices are metal? :) I will certainly agree with fiberglass antennas typically sustaining more fatal damage than metal ones! Fiberglass tends not to conduct electricity too well, but then, electrically fiberglass is invisible, it ain't there.]
 
thanks W5LZ . i was basicly thinking to clean it up so it didnt look like a 2x4 with stuff stuck to it .
 
BOOTY MONSTER said:
thanks W5LZ . i was basicly thinking to clean it up so it didnt look like a 2x4 with stuff stuck to it .

I think the writer of that article was offering as inexpensive a build as possible as his main objective other than the innate performance advantages of the 5/8 - .64 design.

Why not purchase 4 egg insulators and simply make basically 'free' sloping radials out of
the top 8' 7" of the 4 guy wires? They are already there and a LOT less expensive than
102" whips which are now $25 each plus tax at R/S (Real 5h!t) :eek: :oops: :p

...I wonder how well 3/4 wave radials would work, or if they would provide any advantages over 1/4 waves?
 
Would 3/4 wave length radials work better than 1/4 wave radials? No, they won't. Actually, they will not work as well. Wish I could remember where I saw the study done with radial lengths! Had to have been here somewhere. Maybe not in this section, but on this forum, a link to another site. Oh well, wish my hair would disappear as fast as my memory does...
- 'Doc
 
would 3/4 radials be 3/4 of a wave length long ? 24 foot radials seems a bit much .
 
i read about a guy that used 3/4wave radials and claimed that 5/8wave radials would produce better results, never tried it myself.
 
Yeah, 24 foot radials would be sort of long, but then it's sort of relative {and I have a few relatives you'd be welcome too! :)}. If I'm not mistaken, the study was done by Cebik(sp), probably on his website. I think 'CDX-007' is right, that 2x4 vertical idea is aimed at the simplest/cheapest method of making a usable antenna. "Simple" deals with what you are accustomed to working with, are comfortable with. Wood makes a pretty good insulator if treated right. So does plastics and a lot of other things. Depending on where you live, a 2x4 is cheaper than a stick of PVC pipe, usually, and will probably last as long as most PVC when exposed to sun light. Then again, termites and woodpeckers don't much care for PVC. Neither may be the prettiest thing around, but personally I don't much care what an antenna looks like if it works good. Hell, paint it, that covers a lot of mistakes, right? Better yet, copper plate the yard and ground mount the thing! Copper turns green with age, who'z gonna check to see if it isn't grass?
- 'Doc
 
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heres my homebrew version :)
only took me a few years . LOL

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http://www.worldwidedx.com/home-brew-mods/38300-64-homebrew-temporally-finished-up-pics.html
 

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