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"1. Every industry has its bottom dwellers. We cannot protect you from them. Consumers who make decisions based strictly on price, or on what someone says instead of what they can do, will often fall prey to the bottom dwellers.


2. Beware of information from "experts" (real or self-proclaimed). There is antenna theory and there is antenna reality. We have yet to see a vehicle that simulates a lab. While theory is a good starting place...experience is invaluable when it comes to real problems. The knowledge gained from the best book on theory will not necessarily produce the best antenna design.


3. Some "experts" may "claim" 5/8 wave mobile antennas are not possible because they would need to be 23 feet high. They are wrong! Physical length and ground wave performance are not the same. If you ever hear someone make that claim, ask them how a handheld CB can have a 1/4 wave antenna 8 inches long and mobile 1/4 wave antennas can be anywhere from 12-60 inches long in spite of the fact that a physical 1/4 wave is 108 inches.


4 .Never key up or attempt to operate your CB without a working antenna or "dummy load" (non-radiating antenna simulating device) connected to the radios antenna jack, unless you have extra money to buy another radio, or know a good repairman.


5. All mobile and base transmitting antennas need counter-poise, more commonly called ground plane. The antenna is the reactive unit, the ground plane is the reflective unit. Neither is more important than the other. In mobile installations with standard antenna systems, the vehicle metal (body, frame, etc.) acts as the ground plane. In "no-ground-plane" systems, the coax shield is used for counterpoise.


6. Most, but not all, manufacturers pre-tune their mobile antennas on a test bench. To protect your radio's circuitry and achieve optimum performance, mobile transmitting antennas (CB, cell phone, amateur, etc.) need to be tuned on the vehicle.


7. Before transmitting, you should check your antenna system for shorts or opens. If you have continuity between the center pin of the connector and the outer threaded housing, you may have a short. Don't transmit! If you do not find continuity between the center pin of the coax and the antenna base, you have an open. Fix it. (See "Testing Continuity") Exceptions: Some base loaded antennas use a center tap design and there will be continuity from ground to center conductor. Also, Firestik "No Ground Plane" antenna kits will have coaxial center pin to ground continuity.


8. SWR that pegs the needle on all channels almost always indicates a short in your antenna system. Do not attempt to tune the antenna until the short is fixed. Operating with high SWR will probably damage your CB's internal circuits.


9. Make sure that the antenna you are using is the right antenna for your application. Don't use a TV antenna or an AM/FM antenna for your CB. Do not operate your CB without an antenna or dummy load.


10. Transmitting antennas are sensitive to objects in their "near field of radiation." Tune your antennas in an open area. Never tune inside or next to a building, near or under trees, near or under power lines, and never with a person holding or standing next to the antenna. Try to simulate normal operating conditions.


11. If you mount two or more antennas close to each other, you will alter the transmission patterns of each one. The affect may be either positive or negative. We recommend that a minimum of 12" exist between your CB antenna and other types of antennas.


12. Your radio cannot tell one component from another. As far as the radio is concerned, the coax, stud mount, mounting bracket, antenna and vehicle is ONE unit. Don't be too quick to fault your antenna until you are sure that all of the other components have been given equal consideration.


13. Of all antennas returned to Firestik for warranty service, 75% show no signs of being tuned to the vehicle. All antennas should be checked prior to use. Most will require some adjustment. Less than 3% of all returned antennas have actual performance causing problems. Of those, half of the problems are user or installer created. High SWR and other performance problems are 20 times more likely to be caused by bad coax, bad connections, shorted mounts, poor installation location or faulty test meters.


14. In almost every instance, once you get the same SWR reading on channels 1 and 40, further antenna tuning will not improve the readings. If the SWR is still over 2:1, you have other problems to conquer. Exception: There are rare occasions when the ground plane is so small or large that the system is way out of phase (especially with high-performance antennas). If you have high SWR on all channels and have confirmed that you have no opens or shorts in the feedline, try making a small tuning adjustment in the antenna. There are times when the SWR will drop equally across all channels under unusual ground plane conditions. If you find this to be the case, carefully adjust the antenna.


15. SWR that is high on all channels (over 2:1 but not pegging the needle) after the antenna has been tuned usually indicates insufficient ground plane, ungrounded antenna mount or that a coax cable problem exists.


16. The doors, mirrors, spare tire racks, luggage racks, etc. on many vehicles are insulated from a good ground with nylon or rubber bushings. This also stands true for fiberglass vehicles. Make sure that your antenna mount is grounded, even if it entails running a ground wire to the vehicle chassis. Bad hard ground at the mount generally equates to less than optimum performance. Exception: No ground plane antenna kits do not require a grounded mount.


17. If you are hearing whining noises from your radio while your vehicle is running, it is probably due to "dirty power" being supplied to the radio. Under dash power may be more convenient, but the "cleanest" power will be found by running the radio's power leads straight to the battery.


18. You can never buy coax cable that is too good for your system. Never compromise quality for cost when purchasing coax. Your best bet is to stick with coax that has a stranded center conductor and 90% or higher shielding.


19. Most manufacturers of high performance antennas recommend a specific length of coax cable. If your antenna manufacturer suggests a specific length, give priority to that recommendation.


20. If your ground plane is good, your mount grounded and, your antenna favorably located, coax length rarely becomes an issue. But, if one or more mismatches occur, you may find high SWR. This can often be corrected by using 18 feet lengths of high quality coax.


21. Excess coax between your radio and antenna mount should never be wound into a circular coil of less than 12" in diameter. Doing so can cause system problems. Your best option for handling excess coax is to serpentine the cable into a 12 to 18 inch yarn-like skein. Secure the skein in the center with a wire tie and tuck it away.


22. Single antenna installations require coax with approximately 50 ohm's of resistance (RG-58/U, RG-58 A/U or RG-8X). Dual antenna installations require the use of 72 ohm cable (RG-59/U or RG-59 A/U).


23. Coaxial cables with foam (polyfoam) center conductor insulation should be your last choice for use on mobile (vehicle) installations. Even though it will work initially, it has limited life and does not stand up to the conditions encountered in the mobile environment. Choose coax with polyvinyl insulation when doing mobile installs.


24. Coax cables should never be cut and spliced together like common electrical wire. Line losses will occur.


25. Coaxial cable with holes in the outer insulation, severe bends, or door, trunk or hood caused pinches will cause performance problems. Treat your coax with care.


26. If you live in an area where rain and/or sleet is common, wipe your antenna down with a rag that has been coated with WD-40, Armor-All, Pledge, light oil, etc. This trick prevents ice build up that can overload and cause your antenna to break. In an emergency use butter, cooking oil or anything else that will repel water.


27. When tuning your antenna(s), make sure that you do so with the vehicle doors, hood and trunk closed. If left open, they can cause inaccurate SWR readings. Try to simulate actual operating conditions.


28. Mobile antennas, for best performance, should have no less than 60% of their overall length above the vehicles roof line. For co-phased antennas to perform optimally, the space between the top 60% of the two antennas needs to be unobstructed.


29. Remember, all transmitting antennas need ground plane (counterpoise). Base antennas, much like "no ground plane" antennas, build it in. Do not use mobile antennas for base station applications unless you know how to build your own ground plane.


30. If you are installing a single antenna on one side or the other of your vehicle, best on-the-road performance will be realized if the antenna is on the passenger side of the vehicle (Passenger cars and light trucks) Large trucks or vehicles pulling large trailers should put the antenna on the drivers side to avoid the signal from being blocked by the trailer and to keep from hitting road side trees.


31. Co-phased (dual) antenna installations create a radiation pattern that favors communication directly in front and back of the vehicle. This is why co-phase systems are popular with people who do a lot of highway driving. Co-phase antennas must be center or top loaded. Top loaded antennas are the best.


32. Some people believe that co-phased antennas must be separated by a minimum of nine (9) feet. We have successfully used co-phase antenna systems with spacing as little as four (4) feet. Space alters the pattern and not always negatively. Each vehicle will be different.


33. Co-phase antennas can improve performance on vehicles that lack good ground plane characteristics (fiberglass motorhomes, trucks, etc.). Instead of using available metal to reflect the radiated energy, the antennas use each others field.


34. When tuning co-phased antennas (dual), it is best to adjust both antennas an equal amount to maintain equality in their individual resonant frequency.


35. On a co-phase system, if you try to tune each antenna independently using RG-58 type coax and then connect them to the co-phasing harness, you will almost always find that they will appear electrically short as a set. We recommend that you first assemble the entire system. Take all measurements and make all adjustments with both antennas in place.


36. If you are experiencing SWR that is high across the entire band and have eliminated shorts, opens, groundless mounts and coax as potential problems, suspect lack of ground plane. Try adding a spring or quick disconnect to the antenna base. In some cases, the repositioning of the antenna relevant to available ground plane will solve the problem.


37. One of the greatest benefits of the FS series (patented tunable tip) antenna is noted when there is lack of available ground plane. If the tuning screw reaches its "maximum out" position before satisfactory SWR is realized, a common 1/4-20 threaded bolt or screw of a longer length can be used to replace the supplied tuning screw. If the vinyl cap is too short to remain in place, the user can disregard it or clip a hole in the top for the longer screw to pass through.


38. In rare instances, like antennas mounted in the middle of a metal van roof, excess ground plane can cause a problem. This usually shows up as high SWR across the band. In these cases, a tunable tip antenna may not be the best choice. The reason being, the antenna is too long and the tunable tip cannot adjust down far enough (see line 40). If you suspect this, an antenna that wire can be removed from will usually fit the bill (i.e. KW or RP series).


39. There may be situations when a tunable tip will bottom out before optimum tuning is achieved. If this happens, try removing the knurled jam nut and finger tighten the tuning screw against the o-ring. If still too long, remove the tuning screw altogether. If total removal causes the antenna to go short, cut the tuning screw in half and re-insert it into the tuning extender and re-test. The following items on the FS Series "tunable tip" antennas, when removed, will have an effect on SWR (in order from least effect to most effect). O-ring, jam nut, tuning screw mass (cutting off length), vinyl cap, tuning screw complete.


40. The vinyl cap on any "tunable tip" Firestik antennas is optional. However, your antenna needs to be tuned as it will be used . . . with or without the tip.


41. Magnetic mounts should be used in temporary situations only. If you leave them in the same spot for a long period, the paint will not age like that of the uncovered areas and/or moisture will be trapped between the mount and vehicle causing rust or discoloration. Periodically lift the magnet and gently clean off the underside of the magnet and the vehicle surface.


42. It is a bad idea to use magnetic mounts and amplifiers together. Magnetic mounts rely on capacitance grounding. This situation can literally cause the paint under the mount to bubble or discolor due to excessive heat build up.


43. On wire-wound antennas that require wire removal for tuning purposes, best overall performance will be achieved by keeping the loose end of the wire pressed down tightly against the wire coil. If you use power amplification on top loaded antennas and do not process the end of the wire load so it can dissipate its heat into other adjacent coils, you can melt the tip of the antenna.


44. Generally speaking, center loaded antennas perform better than base loaded antennas, and top loaded antennas perform better than all. For any given antenna design (base, center or top loaded), the taller the antenna the better. With length comes a wider bandwidth (lower SWR over more channels), more power handling capability and overall performance increases.


45. When ultimate mobile performance is desired, function should be given precedence over mounting location convenience and appearance.


46. Don't confuse SWR with overall performance. You should seek SWR of 2:1 or lower on channel 1 and 40, but keep in mind that best performance may not be found at the lowest SWR readings. For the most part, if you get your SWR below 2:1, on both ends of the band, don't be overly concerned about using meter tricking procedures that bleed off energy.


47. The SWR meters built into CB radios are okay for general readings, but are rarely sensitive and/or accurate enough for fine tuning of antennas. Use them mostly to indicate serious high SWR problems only.


48. Firestik has tested literally hundreds of SWR meters. A large percentage of these have shown to be off by 0.3 to 0.7 when compared to a piece of certified equipment. There is no standard among production meters. However, unless a unit is defective, most will indicate the most serious problems that you might encounter


49. Aside from cost, the type of wire used in or on antennas (copper, silver, aluminum, gold, tinned, etc.) has negligible effect on antenna performance. The antenna must be designed to resonate with the wire type and gauge chosen by the designer. However, larger wire gauges will normally increase the bandwidth and heat dissipation abilities of the antenna.


50. Copper is 55% better than aluminum, 27% better than gold and 578% better than tin insofar as conductivity is concerned. Silver will conduct AC/DC current less than 2.5% more efficiently than copper, but the cost to performance is generally unjustified and any gain, insofar as RF transmission is concerned, is negligible.


51. If devices other than an SWR meter are going to be used between the CB radio and antenna, always tune the antenna system first without that device in line. If SWR is high with the other device in line, you will know where the problem is.


52. In "no ground plane" systems, it is best to choose a system that terminates the coaxial ground at the radio end of the cable. These systems are far less reactive to cable routing errors and will almost always outperform systems that are terminated at the antenna base or antenna end of the coax.


53. Cables and antennas from standard & no-ground plane kits are not interchangeable. The "No Ground Plane" antennas from Firestik have a yellow band near the base.


54. Wire wound antennas with a plastic outer coating will greatly reduce audible RF static when compared to metal whip antennas.


55. If you leave your antenna on your vehicle permanently, remove the rubber o-ring that is found on the threaded base of some antennas. Tighten permanent antennas with a wrench. Add a lock washer if you want.


56. If you use mirror mounts and often find yourself in areas with overhead obstructions, tighten the bolts just enough to keep the antenna vertical at highway speeds. If the antenna contacts something overhead, the mount will rotate on the mirror arm and protect your antenna.


57. If you use long antennas and find that they bend too far back at highway speeds, tilt them forward if possible. When under a wind load, they will end up in a relatively vertical position.


58. On antennas that are topped off with a vinyl tip, make sure that you take your SWR measurements with the tip in place. If you tune your antenna with the tip off and then reinstall the tip, your SWR will change.


59. Without advocating the use of power amplifiers or unauthorized channels, take note that the Firestik II tunable tip antennas have a fairly large metal tip that broadens the bandwidth and dissipates a considerable amount of heat.


60. It is illegal to use power amplifiers with CB radios. It is illegal to "tweak" the radios internal circuits to increase output power. The transmitter power of a legal, FCC certified CB radio is 4 watts AM.


61. If having one antenna for CB/AM/FM is appealing, use a CB antenna and a splitter that allows it to be connected to your AM/FM radio. Devices that let you use your AM/FM antenna for CB use will leave you disappointed.


62. On a budget? Buy a cheap radio and a good antenna. Aside from added bells and whistles, all CB's are FCC regulated to transmit no more than 4 watts of power. A good antenna on an inexpensive radio will almost always outperform a bad antenna on an expensive radio.


63. Beware of the wire wound mobile antennas mentioned in ads that claim them to be "full-wave" or "wave and a half". At best, you are being deceived by the misleading association of wire length to actual performance characteristics. Wire length, for all intents and purposes, is irrelevant. With "very" few exceptions, antennas must function as a 1/4 wave or 5/8 wave to be useful on mobile installations. For example, Firestik and Firestik II antennas between 2 foot and 5 foot have a radiation pattern similar to a 5/8 wave reference antenna. However, wire lengths range from 20 feet to 32 feet (0.6 to 0.9 of a full wave length). If wire length was relevant, each antenna would need 22.5 feet of wire."
 
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well well well , this isnt the truth according to red rooster after all .............
its the truth according to firestick .

Things Every CB'er Should Know -- ©1997 FIRESTIK® ANTENNA

apparently RR just cut and pasted it from their site .
i guess he wont be replying to all the questions and comments i had about his post . LOL
i edited the thread title to name the true author/source of the above claims
 
you would think a company who have been about as long as they have would know groundwave is almost non existant on 11m.

5/8 wave mobile cb antennas, this i gotta see.

George, you are in the 1% of CB'ers that actually know this about groundwave and use the proper terminology. The other 99% of CB'ers called anything not bounced off the ionosphere, aka "skip" ,groundwave.

As for the 5/8 wave mobile antenna who are they kidding. Any 5/8 wave antenna needs a matching network to "stretch it" out to an electrical 3/4 wavelength for a good match. An electrical 5/8 wave antenna is NOT going to match to 50 ohms and a physical 5/8 wave antenna would be far from practical or legal for road use.
 
George, you are in the 1% of CB'ers that actually know this about groundwave and use the proper terminology. The other 99% of CB'ers called anything not bounced off the ionosphere, aka "skip" ,groundwave.

i can understand cb'ers not knowing it Garth (not like they have to know anything technical to get licensed) but i find it amazing also on forums the number of hams that use the improper terminology for line of sight/reflected wave fronts on the higher end of hf,

especially when they go on cb sections professing to be experts without realising their lack of knowledge exposes them at every turn, there's a few cb'ers out there that are very clued up, sure we all get stuff wrong at times, the joy of being human, but some people never seem to learn no matter how often you correct them. what really kills me is most of them hang around forums where very clever hams share an unbelievable amount of sound knowledge, yet they still choose to believe the myths or even worse argue with people who are correct.

As for the 5/8 wave mobile antenna who are they kidding. Any 5/8 wave antenna needs a matching network to "stretch it" out to an electrical 3/4 wavelength for a good match. An electrical 5/8 wave antenna is NOT going to match to 50 ohms and a physical 5/8 wave antenna would be far from practical or legal for road use.

it beggars belief the number of manufacturers that spout bullshit, i guess with so much confusion being propagated by the mythmasters it makes it even more difficult for people to believe the few guys on every forum that actually tell the truth, these sort of myths have been going around since the dawn of cb, classic case of if you hear something often enough you start to believe it.
 
oh, so what is groundwave called then? you know, the wave that travels along the surface of earth beyond your line of site, the one that propagates better over swamp and fields than rock and sand?

the one hams talk on 2m sideband hundreds of miles with.

your direct wave, line of site propagation from a mobile is only about 5 to 10 miles max, so how come I can talk 30+ miles? its not skywave.

if groundwave works hundreds of miles on VHF then I am pretty sure it works on upper HF, seeing that it works awesome on MF.

and what antenna dont exaggerate its performance, except the ball and socket with 102" whip?
 
Radio Propagation & Aurora

Propagation of Waves

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?231903-10-meter-vs-2-meter-groundwave-contacts

it seems ground wave propigation favors low and mid frequencys and the high frequencys dont benefit or make use of it . it also seems line of site will cover the curvature of the earth slightly because of things in the atsmophere .

thanks again for the schooling n8fgb ;)

http://www.worldwidedx.com/installation-station-setup/53138-newbie-base-station-setup-diagram-2.html
 
oh, so what is groundwave called then? you know, the wave that travels along the surface of earth beyond your line of site, the one that propagates better over swamp and fields than rock and sand?

the one hams talk on 2m sideband hundreds of miles with.

your direct wave, line of site propagation from a mobile is only about 5 to 10 miles max, so how come I can talk 30+ miles? its not skywave.

if groundwave works hundreds of miles on VHF then I am pretty sure it works on upper HF, seeing that it works awesome on MF.

and what antenna dont exaggerate its performance, except the ball and socket with 102" whip?


Don't take this the wrong way but you have no idea what ground wave is. The terms ground wave, surface wave and direct wave get improperly used all the time. Ground wave does not exist above about 3.0 MHz and even then it is greatly attenuated when compared to 500 KHz. Ever notice how much better the local coverage of a station on 550 KHz is compared to one on 1550KHz even with the same TX power?

Ground Wave Radio Propagation :: Radio-Electronics.Com
 
Don't take this the wrong way but you have no idea what ground wave is. The terms ground wave, surface wave and direct wave get improperly used all the time. Ground wave does not exist above about 3.0 MHz and even then it is greatly attenuated when compared to 500 KHz. Ever notice how much better the local coverage of a station on 550 KHz is compared to one on 1550KHz even with the same TX power?

Ground Wave Radio Propagation :: Radio-Electronics.Com

So I should hear 560 KLZ AM broadcast from Denver further than KCUV 1510 AM Denver?
 
George, you are in the 1% of CB'ers that actually know this about groundwave and use the proper terminology. The other 99% of CB'ers called anything not bounced off the ionosphere, aka "skip" ,groundwave.

Just for the record, could I make it known that I too, am in that 1%, lol. It does make me laugh when we have quiet prop days here, because all the locals start calling on 27.555 "CQ ground wave", when really they just want someone to talk to.
 
So I should hear 560 KLZ AM broadcast from Denver further than KCUV 1510 AM Denver?

All things being equal, yes. I have no idea what the power levels are of those stations or the antenna systems and ground conductivity in and near each site but if they were identical then the lower freq station would have the better coverage. There used to be a regional AM station in Fredericton New Brunswick, about 135 miles northwest of me, CFNB. They ran 50 Kw on 550 KHz and were heard very well here day or night. They were the envy of most stations with their coverage. Ground wave coverage is greatly improved as the freq is lowered. In most parts of the world outside North America they have a broadcast band on longwave from about 150-285 KHz and they have phenominal coverage. Some are running several hundred KW or a Mw or more but the freq carries very well down there. That is why the military uses VLF (very low frequencies) and ELF (extremely low frequencies) as low as a few Kilohertz to broadcast data messages around the world to ships or submarines. A couple watts, yes that's watts and not kilowatts, on 15 KHz will provide worldwide coverage despite the super low antenna efficiency even when the antenna wires are several miles long.

Very low frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extremely low frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/fs_clam_lake_elf2003.pdf
 
A ground wave radio signal is made up from a number of constituents. If the antennas are in the line of sight then there will be a direct wave as well as a reflected signal. As the names suggest the direct signal is one that travels directly between the two antenna and is not affected by the locality. There will also be a reflected signal as the transmission will be reflected by a number of objects including the earth's surface and any hills, or large buildings. That may be present

In addition to this there is surface wave. This tends to follow the curvature of the Earth and enables coverage to be achieved beyond the horizon. It is the sum of all these components that is known as the ground wave.

So technically it can be either the sum of all 3, or surface wave to be more specific.

I think the term groundwave sounds more cool, like a relic from the cold war, GWEN, VLF submersible com, etc.
 
All things being equal, yes. I have no idea what the power levels are of those stations or the antenna systems and ground conductivity in and near each site but if they were identical then the lower freq station would have the better coverage. There used to be a regional AM station in Fredericton New Brunswick, about 135 miles northwest of me, CFNB. They ran 50 Kw on 550 KHz and were heard very well here day or night. They were the envy of most stations with their coverage. Ground wave coverage is greatly improved as the freq is lowered. In most parts of the world outside North America they have a broadcast band on longwave from about 150-285 KHz and they have phenominal coverage. Some are running several hundred KW or a Mw or more but the freq carries very well down there. That is why the military uses VLF (very low frequencies) and ELF (extremely low frequencies) as low as a few Kilohertz to broadcast data messages around the world to ships or submarines. A couple watts, yes that's watts and not kilowatts, on 15 KHz will provide worldwide coverage despite the super low antenna efficiency even when the antenna wires are several miles long.

Very low frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extremely low frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/fs_clam_lake_elf2003.pdf

I'll have to check these stations out, I'm 160 miles from Denver and see, I never really thought about it.
 

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