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thanks henery . i dont have excell so i cant access your attachment . im about the redo the ground plane of my home brewed 5/8 wgp . i went out yesterday and got my materials and most of the hardware . im just gonna do four 90 degree 1/4 plus %5 wl ground elements . i wanted to do eight of them , but id have to use smaller elements with a lot more droop since im on a budget . i know it wouldnt have made any humanly detectable difference , but i wanted an antenna with something different from what everyone else had without adversely affect its performance . so the bigger/stiffer/stronger elements won in the end . ill be using 3/8 inch solid aluminum rods . the antenna will be isolated from earth ground and the mast with a 5 1/16 inch diameter coax choke at the feed point using 10 even wraps of 8x coax . the feed point will be about 30 feet off the ground . i currently only talk on the cb band .