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Two "S" units is 12db! Something else had to be effecting that measurement because gaining 12db from adding those radials is not possible. While it's more effective then the ground plane kit, it would take installing the antenna over an ocean of salt water to approach a 12db increase. If you did that with the radials or coax in the water, you would see incredible gains.

Trying to simulate this type of ground plane with an elevated antenna using wire radials would struggle to add even a single db of gain. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you've been untruthful. I'm suggesting if you saw two "S" units gain then things like S meter inaccuracy and possible distortion of the omni directional pattern from the guy wires were more likely responsible.

Being that the guy wires are that close to the feedpoint, it is possible they are effecting the radiation pattern in ways that are not so obvious. They are likely to form more intense lobes in the directions off the ends of the 23 foot guys wires with nulls in between. Meaning that your signal went up in some directions but at the expense of others.

<blockquote data-quote="Shockwave" data-source="post: 205223" data-attributes="member: 10882">Two &quot;S&quot; units is 12db! Something else had to be effecting that measurement because gaining 12db from adding those radials is not possible. While it&#039;s more effective then the ground plane kit, it would take installing the antenna over an ocean of salt water to approach a 12db increase. If you did that with the radials or coax in the water, you would see incredible gains.Trying to simulate this type of ground plane with an elevated antenna using wire radials would struggle to add even a single db of gain. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not saying you&#039;ve been untruthful. I&#039;m suggesting if you saw two &quot;S&quot; units gain then things like S meter inaccuracy and possible distortion of the omni directional pattern from the guy wires were more likely responsible.Being that the guy wires are that close to the feedpoint, it is possible they are effecting the radiation pattern in ways that are not so obvious. They are likely to form more intense lobes in the directions off the ends of the 23 foot guys wires with nulls in between. Meaning that your signal went up in some directions but at the expense of others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shockwave, post: 205223, member: 10882"] Two "S" units is 12db! Something else had to be effecting that measurement because gaining 12db from adding those radials is not possible. While it's more effective then the ground plane kit, it would take installing the antenna over an ocean of salt water to approach a 12db increase. If you did that with the radials or coax in the water, you would see incredible gains. Trying to simulate this type of ground plane with an elevated antenna using wire radials would struggle to add even a single db of gain. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you've been untruthful. I'm suggesting if you saw two "S" units gain then things like S meter inaccuracy and possible distortion of the omni directional pattern from the guy wires were more likely responsible. Being that the guy wires are that close to the feedpoint, it is possible they are effecting the radiation pattern in ways that are not so obvious. They are likely to form more intense lobes in the directions off the ends of the 23 foot guys wires with nulls in between. Meaning that your signal went up in some directions but at the expense of others. [/QUOTE]

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