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Top One Ground Plane Antenna Anyone use one of these?


8291, I describe it this way in a letter to a friend.

Jim, there are some variations in AP models. Avanti originally built the AP a bit differently than the one made much later, but before they went out of business. Maybe Antenna Specialist made some changes. However, I’m not real sure if AS was ever actually involved with this antenna. There are some models out there that used a different mounting bracket design. I think they likely all work the same.

The AP is a funny bird and was designed to allow for maximum radiation at the highest point possible within the limitations for height by the FCC. It is basically up-side-down since the current node (feed point) is above the voltage node in the antenna. This, in no way, limits or improves its effectiveness at any height however. This issue is where all the erroneous BS comes from about this antenna regarding height.

The following is all take from an electrical point of view. Electrically the AP is, in principal, very similar to the voltage feed SE design in their beams. The AP too, uses a 1/4 wavelength stub as a feeder that works against a suitable ground. Here too, the mast or feed line is used as the ground element (like in dipole). This ground element extends down from the current node at the feed point in the mounting hub for some distance below the bottom horizontal orbital ring of the antenna. In addition, since the feeder and the ground element remain relatively parallel in the vertical plan, there is very little radiation generated in feeding the return side of the antenna a ½ wave element consisting of ¼ wave element at the bottom, a 1/8 wave element in the orbital loop at the voltage node, and at the top another ¼ wave element that is shortened by the use of a capacitance hat in the horizontal plane. Thus you have a 5/8 wave radiating element that is situated upside down just as if you hung a ½ wave dipole up side down.

This 1/4 wave section theoretically does not radiate due to equal and opposite energy forces working between the element and the ground. This arrangement creates a condition that cancels any radiation, an action that works similar to the actions of current in shielded coax.

This feeder is fed at the beginning tip end of the element (in the hub), therefore it typically will not show a 50 ohm resistance. It will be low like any direct fed 1/4 element. To compensate for this low input impedance the feeder is bowed out a bit from the ground affects of the mast or feed line. This has the affect of raising the feed point resistance. In this case it dose so at the resonance of the radiating element and this matches feed line, at 50 ohms. So, in affect this section is a fixed tuner for the antenna.

Note: It is my opinion that the transition in matching currents through this long and smooth element, do by design, create a condition of minimum reactance for the antenna. To me this has the affect of considerably reducing the bad affects by common mode currents on the feed line or mast and local RF interference. I won't get into the business of common mode currents here, but this is only one of the important aspects of why and how I feel this simple but complicated antenna works so well.

Ok, are you still with me? We’re down to the bottom end of the ¼ wave feeder. This point in the system is called a voltage node. Do you see now that the voltage node is below the current node in this antenna? This is the exact opposite of traditional vertical end fed antenna. At this point the antenna attaches to an orbital loop, 1/8 wavelength in size that surrounds the ground element in the antenna. From here on out to the tip of the top hat elements is the radiating element an inverted ½ wave element with a 1/8 wave element at the bottom in the horizontal plane. This element is comprised of four segments, the 1/8 wave orbital loop in the horizontal plane, another 1/4 element adjacent and parallel to the 1/4 wavelength feeder also in the vertical plane, and another shortened 1/4 wavelength top element that is a combination of 1/8 wave vertical and a 1/8 wave horizontal capacitance hat. This equals in total a physical 5/8 wavelength for those that want to argue measurements and characteristic wavelengths for antennas.

Regarding the horizontal notations above: This is a vertically polarized antenna, but the presence of some horizontal radiating elements, in my opinion, enhance, in particular, the DX qualities of this very efficient radiator. On the other hand it may be said that this also may cut down on some of the vertical ground wave action in the antenna as it may have some attenuating characteristics. This feature may also account for its quite noise floor operations. These factors may also be noted in many consumer accounts for the actions for this unique but very effective antenna. Just try it high up one day and watch it talk just as big a any, during skip.

Eddie
 
Wow Marconi...thats lot whew :wow alot to understand..... Anyone else out there got any comments? Any comparisons on how it works for you good and bad? How is the receive on this antenna? Does it cause much interference? I'd like to hear more
 
It is quite for me and works just as good as all my others. In some cases it might not make quite as big of a signal as another, but I have never lost a conctact due to the difference, and it hears great and I never noticed any interference. Some guys say put it low, 10'20' and it does great. That may be so, but I put it at 40' and it does better.


What else do you want to know?
 
The Astro Plane had a good following. When Antenna Specialist bought out Avanti, they did make changes to a number of the antennas. I'm not sure what was changed on the Astro Plane though.

To answer your question, the Top One should be electrically identical to the original Astro Plane which means it should work well. Mechanically speaking, the Top One is a loser! If you don't have weather issues where you live, you probably won't have any problems.

If you have weather issues, I feel you will be very disappointed with the Top One.

Marconi, WOW! :shock:
 
Well Master Chief, don't you remember all the fun we had brain storming about that one some time back? All the details are gone now, so I could stand correction on some of the conclusions I put forward in that piece. I'm still think about it from time to time and I do really like the design and function of the AP ever if you are right about it. It is just a light weight antenna, but it might surprise you how well those light weights hang in there in bad weather.

Look if over, I will discuss it further. You know me.
 
I'm not questioning the mechanical integrity of the original Astro Plane; just the Top One (copy)! :D

I do remember the earlier discussions and as I said back then, my technical knowledge of exactly HOW the Astro Plane works is lacking. I have my opinions, but they are just that, opinions. 8)
 
I understand about the original and agree.

Me too, this is just my opinion and I could be easily convinced of just about any other idea. I really do not understand exactally how this thing works, so that is the best I can do until I do understand. But understanding will probaly never come if I forget about it, right?

You know I envy those old boy at Avanti. They saw this stuff working in their minds eye and all they had to do was to figure out mechanically how to reproduce it into a kit that was easy for us mear mortals to be able to assemble and get to work. I call that a successful challenge in and of itself and as a result I also admire them for their efforts.

I owe it to them to try and understand how it works even if I never do.
 
Had Top One up for about 3-4 months. Caused no
interference. Had it up about 30-31 ft to ring. Used
regular TV mast and winds already had mast bent
in that 3-4 months. I would suggest using stronger
mast. I would also suggest securing the ring to the
mast to keep it from swaying with Non-conductive
material. The Top radials seem to bend easily, but, did
not bend within that 3-4 month period. Bent when i layed
antenna on the ground. Radials easily bend back into
shape. I would compare it's performance to a A-99
or maybe alittle better. Nice quiet antenna.
I'm not sure how much it's construction differs from
the original Astroplane design. Have 3 Cbers here in
PA that have had up a original AstroPlane for 20+ years
and they are still in good condition. Have taken everything
that Mother Nature has thrown at it.
Ice/winds/ ect.
My first impression was that it looks cheaply made. Whether or not it will hold up like the orginal design or not, i don't know.
 

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