I recently picked up two NOS Turner mics that look very similar on the outside but are different inside. These things are built like tanks. I have re-wired both to 4 pin Cobra/Galaxy and they sound good to me on the air. The LMM Landcom mics were originally made as direct replacements for Motorola radios, they came with the correct connector for plug and play out of the box. I am not sure what market the 450C was originally intended for.