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UNDER DRIVING A TUBE AMP.

Sonar

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I'm driving my Palomar 350z with about a watt (maybe 11/4 watt.) Can this cause my audio to sound similar to overdriving an amp? The rigs a Sonar 2340. Easy to increase output (drive power) via the load and tune/grid adjustments on the rear of the transciver. The 1 watt (11/4) is keying the amp without issue. Is it at all possible to under drive an amp of this type and still have the amp keyup?? If so could under driving an amp the cause it to sound similar to an over driven amp?
 

de-tuning the final in the radio is not a good idea.
better to place a "pad" (attenuator) in line with the amplifier.
If you really need the advanced course I did look at your radio and amp schema before posting.
I can say that without reservation that de-tuning the 2340 is a bad idea. You will loose power (I'm guessing that was the idea anyway) but at the expense of linearity and signal purity.
 
The 350Z is famous for hard-to-explain faults. It has a separate bias trimpot underneath for the driver tubes and another for the finals. They are famous for burning out.

Since this amplifier does not shut off the tubes' anode current in receive mode, it tends to run hot even if you never key it.

A bias control that's gone bad can cause distortion, and it tends to be worse at the lowest drive levels if the tube gets biased in a way that cuts off the tube current.

Bad news is that this protects the tubes in receive mode. Fixing it so it sounds good again may accelerate an early death if the fix makes it run too hot on standby.

Years ago we did an extensive "rehab" for this model. It included an additional relay to shut off the tubes until you key it. This pic is from a different Palomar model, the 90A. It has this same problem, and gets the same fix.

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Relays that will fit the hole pattern in the circuit board are extinct, and adapting it to use new relays that you can buy is a labor-intensive proposition. The High/Low drive-select switch on the rear is a nightmare when it goes bad, and the "overdrive detect" circuit is a part of that problem. The rehab process was extensive and expensive. And even after all that work and expense, the 350Z never delivers the same power as the older 300A model. Never have figured out why.

No easy answers to trouble with this model. The design tried to be all things to all people, but falls flat at nearly every turn.

We shot pics of a rehab process for this one a few years ago just before a hard drive crash. Hadn't been backed up yet that day.

Oops. Haven't tried to make a record of that procedure since.

Just reinforced my opinion of this model as bad luck personified.

73
 
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de-tuning the final in the radio is not a good idea.
better to place a "pad" (attenuator) in line with the amplifier.
If you really need the advanced course I did look at your radio and amp schema before posting.
I can say that without reservation that de-tuning the 2340 is a bad idea. You will loose power (I'm guessing that was the idea anyway) but at the expense of linearity and signal purity.
I was gonna go ahead and raise the 2340's output from 11/2 to 21/2 Watts dead key. After looking at the receipt of the recent work done to the 2340 and found that the 12ax7 that was swapped out with the sonars original 12at7 was replaced with a 12at7 (which came in the 2340 from the factory.)
The 12at7 was the tube originally placed in the 2340 by Sonar. But at some point a 12ax7 was swapped out for the 12ax7. I never had poor audio reports with the 12ax7 replacement. I needed to replace the demcos 12au6 and 12bq5. Along with the purchase of the two Demco tubes I went ahead and purchased a NOS fully tested and guaranteed a 12ax7. I will install all three and give the Sonar and Palomar 350z another go. I'm hoping this will resolve the issue. It might be as simple as the UN amplified d104. I have a backup mic and if the reports don't change for the better I will notify the tech who did the recent repair. I'm sure he'll make it right. I don't own a scope. I should have the tubes installed in the Demco and 3340 by next weekend. I wil let y'all know how it went. Thanks.
 
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