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Uniden Amplifier Hookup Question

Nick23

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Aug 16, 2013
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I am thinking of adding an amplifier to my Uniden pc78ltw. It think it is dead keying around 4 watts. Is there a pot to adjust the dead key? This is the first time for me hooking up an amplifier, so any suggestions/tips would be much appreciated.

73
Nick
 

On AM only cb sets their is not pot to turn. You will have to have a tech do one of three things, do a swing kit mod with a cap and resistor to lower the dead key to say 2 watts. Add a a hi lo power switch giving you a amplifier setting and a barefoot setting. Have a variable power control pot added.

What amplifier you want depends on what you want to spend and how in depth of an install you want to do. A nice little 2 pill amplifier should work fine. If you did not want to do anything to your radio you could always buy this amplifier, it can handle a 4 watt dead key input.
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What I did to my Grant XL was replace one of the front mounted single pots (mic gain) with a dual pot (for variable power and mic gain). The radio still maintained the stock appearance without losing any factory controls nor drilling holes in my chassis. So no reduction in value. It would have to be done at a shop though. I think it is worth it. If you don't plan on keeping the amp on all the time, it is nice for your radio to have the ability to operate normally.
 
That Midnight Special looks like what I need. I was looking to run around 100 watts, but for the price I think 50 will do just fine. When I tuned this radio I backed out pot L14 to run a full 4 watts swings to 6. Think I'll screw it back in a little, don't want to blow it. Should I buy from the website link up there or you reccomed a internet store?

Thank for your reply roadrage, but I really can't afford to send it in to a shop.
 
Correction: I misread the output on that amp. WOW! $119 for an amp that runs 200+watts. That's great!

I do not think you are going to see 200+ out of the Midnight amp.
The Mosfets require more drive than the 2879`s do to produce that kind of power.
Note that the website says 2 to 5 watt dead key and up to 50 watts pep, your radio will not produce that.
However, it will provide an increase in power just not full output.....and you do not have to worry about over driving the amp.

Should I buy from the website link up there or you recommend a internet store?

The website IS the builder of these amps.
Call them, ask for Carl, tell him what you want to do and he can give you the details about what you can expect out with your radio between the two Amps.
847-561-4971 or 321-246-2608

73
Jeff
 
I do not think you are going to see 200+ out of the Midnight amp.
The Mosfets require more drive than the 2879`s do to produce that kind of power.
Note that the website says 2 to 5 watt dead key and up to 50 watts pep, your radio will not produce that.
However, it will provide an increase in power just not full output.....and you do not have to worry about over driving the amp.



The website IS the builder of these amps.
Call them, ask for Carl, tell him what you want to do and he can give you the details about what you can expect out with your radio between the two Amps.
847-561-4971 or 321-246-2608

73
Jeff

Anything 50-100 watts is fine. Will the amp accomplish that? I wasn't worried about the amp, but my final or transistor it think its called on my radio. Any other equipment needed for this amp?

73
Nick
 
Any other equipment needed for this amp?

A jumper to go from the radio to the amp, a 40 amp fuse at the battery and some 8 gauge wire to run from the battery to the amp should do it.
Ground it well, I drop my grounds through the floorboard to the frame.
And if you do not have one already, a SWR meter to check your antenna setup would be a good investment.
Carl can answer the question about what you will see with a single final radio in front of it as I have not played with the MOSFET amps, but i do know they require more drive.


73
Jeff
 
Nick23, you've got a lot of reading to do my friend!

just getting the deadkey lowered on the radio, and being able to connect it to the amp is not enough knowledge for the inevitability of some sort of problem cropping up.

if you turned the wrong slug in that radio, you may have created harmonics in the signal that you wont notice until you try to hook the amp up and notice that the SWR going into the amp is high.

yes, when you hook up an amp, there are two SWR readings that you need to be concerned about. the SWR between the radio and the input of the amp, and the SWR of the antenna itself.

if you hook it all up, and all is good, then you got lucky, but what if it isnt all good (happens more than you think on a first time amp install) then what do you do?

it sounds to me like you would like to be able to do the radio mods, the amp install, and everything else on your own, instead of having to take things to a shop.

that is commendable, but you need to read up on these subjects.

how to properly align the transmit section of a CB radio.

how to properly install a linear amplifier in a vehicle.

how to correctly measure and analyze SWR readings.

if you will make the effort to start learning about these things, i will walk you through the "how to" of the deadkey lowering, the amp installation, and how to interpret your SWR readings.

what im trying to avoid is having to type long explanations when/ if things dont go right. thats why i want you to take the bull by the horns and do some serious searching on the CB forums.

here's a couple of things to get you started, one question, and one "hint".

have you, or anyone else messed with L11 at all?
it should have wax on the top of it and should be pretty easy to tell if someone has removed the wax and tried to "peak" it.
L11 looks just like L14, but is closer to the antenna jack.


the PC78LTW is exactly the same on the inside, as another very popular radio, and the mods for lowering the deadkey on that radio are ALL OVER the internet.

post back with the answer to the question, as it will determine whether or not its even worth it to try hooking an amp to your radio.

also post back with more details about your install.

what kind of wattmeter/ SWR meter do you have?

what type of vehicle are you using?

what kind of antenna do you have?

and whatever else you can think of.

i will help you, but i want to make you the local expert on this stuff at the same time.
LC
 
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I have a 1999 Toyota 4Runner. Uniden pc78ltw, I adjusted the modulation to 100% and L14, since I was running barefoot I really wanted any extra watts I could get. I made sure not to make the final bias. I have an Astatic 636L microphone. I have a little wil and also a Predator 10-K. I have a workman meter that measures SWRs and field strength/watts. The little wil is 1.1 and the 10-K is 1.2. Nothing else inside the radio has been touched. I take this hobby seriously. I have a pretty good understanding of radios and antennas. I'm not an off road jeep type guy and I also do not want to be a nuisance and blow others of the air with this amp.

Thank you for your help,
Nick
 
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I have been contemplating getting another radio. If you guys think this is a waste of time, please tell me now. Would it be better to get another radio?
 
I have been contemplating getting another radio. If you guys think this is a waste of time, please tell me now. Would it be better to get another radio?

That Uniden is a great radio. I would only suggest letting a good tech do the work on your radio.
 
I made sure not to make the final bias


Nick, im not quite sure what you mean by this, as there is no bias control for the driver or final in an AM only radio.

also, you did not answer my question about L11.
if L11 has been touched AT ALL, then there is a good chance that your amp will not work right with that radio no matter what you do.

i do agree with 91Cdriver that having a good tech do the work inside the radio for you is the best, surest route to getting the radio to do what you want it to.

i also understand the die-hard DIY mentality, and i dont think that we should just leave you in the lurch just because you've never done it before.

heck, i did my first radio mods with only a book, a soldering iron, and a pair of diagonal cutters!
(i do not recommend this method as it eventually led to the demise of a 142GTL :blushing: )

with that said, here is the disclaimer:
i have no idea how good you are with soldering, tuning, working with tools, having steady hands, or correctly interpreting a set of instructions, so if you smoke your radio, and it could happen, that is on you.

if you were working on a classic CB that is no longer made, then i would discourage you from doing the work yourself, but you are working on a hundred dollar radio that you can go out and buy again if need be.

oh, and as for whether or not to get another radio, once you are in this hobby for a while, that will be a moot point, as you will stop looking for reasons to buy radios, and will buy them just "because".

that lil wil is a piece of crap antenna. junk it.
the predator 10K is obviously a good antenna, but might be a bit cumbersome to leave on the car all the time.

i would suggest a wilson 1000 or a wilson 5000 or a K40. there are plenty of other good antennas, those are just some well known ones that are good.
just ask here if you are thinking of a different one.

the inside of your radio is just like the inside of a cobra 29LTD.

here is an article that describes exactly how to lower your deadkey while maintaining the full modulation capabilities of the radio.

Cobra 29 LTD super modulation modification

read through the whole article a couple of times and then come back here and ask about anything you dont understand.

you want to give the radio a tune up before you do the mod, so that the deadkey that you select will stay the same.

hopefully you havent messed with L19, L23, L20, and L21.
if you have, then it might be time to send the radio to a shop and have it re tuned, and have the deadkey mod done there.

set the radio to channel 20, dynamike all the way up (clockwise). wattmeter connected between radio and antenna.

key the mic, and while saying "ahhhh" into the mic in a steady voice, tune L14 for maximum output.

now turn the dynamike to about half way, and again while saying "ahhhh" into the mic, turn VR4 all the way one way, then all the way the other way.
set it at whichever end gives you the most watts out on your meter.

this assumes that you havent clipped D11. if you have, put it back to stock before doing this.

never whistle into your mic to get wattage readings. they will be somewhat misleading. well, unless your natural voice sounds like a high pitched whistle, in which case you should be very popular on the CB radio! LOL

after doing this little tune up, then do the mod i linked you to.

as for the amp, we can get further into it when you get it, but for now, know that you will need to run an 8 gauge wire right to the battery positive terminal.
WARNING!!!!!!!!
you MUST put a fuse (say 40 amps) right at the battery terminal end of the wire for fire safety.
failure to do this could cause bodily harm to you and your passengers.
run this "positive" wire through the firewall to where you will have the amp mounted.

the ground wire from the amp needs to be connected to the vehicle body, and also to the frame. this wire should be kept to about a foot long if at all possible. two feet is ok, but i wouldnt want to go more than that.

in my truck, i drilled a hole in the floor of the cab behind the seat, ran a bolt through that hole, connected the ground wire of the amp to the top side of the bolt inside the truck, and then connected a 1" wide braided ground strap to the underside of the bolt. the other end of the ground strap was bolted to the frame of the vehicle.

you see, we need a DC ground for the amp to turn on, but we also want a good RF ground, and they are not the same thing.

a piece of copper wire is fine for a DC ground but makes a lousy RF ground.
RF travels on the surface of a conductor, and as such, surface area is all important when it comes to proper RF grounding.

you will also need to get a good quality coax cable jumper to connect the radio to the amp.
good quality means stay as far as you can from Radio shack, and be very careful in truck stops.

people will tell you that you need certain lengths of coax cable for it to all work, but thats a myth.
there are certain specific lengths that can cause less than accurate SWR readings, but for the most part length shouldnt matter.

i would make the jumper between the radio and the amp 3 feet or longer though. just trust me on that one and dont make me explain it all. LOL

ok, this should be enough to keep you busy for a while, and hopefully you will come up with some specific questions for us to answer while you are planning your attack.

good luck,
LC
 

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