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First off THANKS! Guys, for the input and ideas.....I do not understand "counterpose" is it the same thing as radials attached to ground side of the coax?
If I use a 102 whip then 6-8-10 radials made of 12 gauge copper wire arranged in a fan pattern around the base of the mast and then attached to the mast would work as the counterpose? if this is correct then what length should they be? 102 inches?
i read somewhere ground wires need to be as short as possible so it brings up the question? if I use a 20 ft mast and have coax attached to the feed point of the 102 whip and the braid attached to the mast and ground wire running down to the earth. ....would i have a 1/4 wave vertical with a 20 ft counterpose? not trying to make this hard just dont fully understand the ground wire/countepose. seems to me a 1/4 wave antenna needs a 1/4 wave balance or counterpose? to be balanced?
if i used a dipole for example 102 whips on both sides then the mast and radials would connected but the whips would not have a direct connection to the mast or radials? thus a balance 1/4 wave dipole and then the attached mast and radials

<blockquote data-quote="ghutch" data-source="post: 364922" data-attributes="member: 15022">First off THANKS! Guys, for the input and ideas.....I do not understand &quot;counterpose&quot; is it the same thing as radials attached to ground side of the coax? If I use a 102 whip then 6-8-10 radials made of 12 gauge copper wire arranged in a fan pattern around the base of the mast and then attached to the mast would work as the counterpose? if this is correct then what length&nbsp; should they be?&nbsp; 102 inches? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />i read somewhere ground wires need to be as short as possible so it brings up the question? if I use a 20 ft mast and have coax attached to the feed point of the 102 whip and the braid attached to the mast and ground wire running down to the earth. ....would i have a 1/4 wave vertical with a 20 ft counterpose? not trying to make this hard just dont fully understand the ground wire/countepose. seems to me a 1/4 wave antenna needs a 1/4 wave balance or counterpose? to be balanced?&nbsp; if i used a dipole for example 102 whips on both sides then the mast and radials would connected&nbsp; but the whips would not have a direct&nbsp; connection to the mast or radials?&nbsp; thus a balance 1/4 wave dipole and then the attached mast and radials</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ghutch, post: 364922, member: 15022"] First off THANKS! Guys, for the input and ideas.....I do not understand "counterpose" is it the same thing as radials attached to ground side of the coax? If I use a 102 whip then 6-8-10 radials made of 12 gauge copper wire arranged in a fan pattern around the base of the mast and then attached to the mast would work as the counterpose? if this is correct then what length should they be? 102 inches? :confused: i read somewhere ground wires need to be as short as possible so it brings up the question? if I use a 20 ft mast and have coax attached to the feed point of the 102 whip and the braid attached to the mast and ground wire running down to the earth. ....would i have a 1/4 wave vertical with a 20 ft counterpose? not trying to make this hard just dont fully understand the ground wire/countepose. seems to me a 1/4 wave antenna needs a 1/4 wave balance or counterpose? to be balanced? if i used a dipole for example 102 whips on both sides then the mast and radials would connected but the whips would not have a direct connection to the mast or radials? thus a balance 1/4 wave dipole and then the attached mast and radials [/QUOTE]

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