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What is a good cheap used amp to keep my eye open for?

mr_fx

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160-10m is what I am on the hunt for. Cheap, just want something to give my Yaesu ft-890 a little more kick on the lower bands, esp in on the 'Kilowatt Nights' I keep hearing people on 160m talk about.

What should I steer clear of?

I mean what do you really need to run SSB on the lower bands?

Will 500 do it? 600? 700? 800? 900? 1000? 1200? 1500? 1.1246 qintrillion?
 

The first 500 makes the biggest improovment. The AL 811 is one of the best bang for buck. But you should work on improving your antennas first. I read you thread on antenna tuners, you don't have much for antenna yet.
RICH
 
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The first 500 makes the biggest improovment. The AL 811 is one of the best bang for buck. But you should work on improving your antennas first. I read you thread on antenna tuners, you don't have much for antenna yet.
RICH

I am planning to experiment quite a bit in the next few months, but for some reason I just want something to play with.
 
A "good" HF amp to begin with is NOT cheap,
What kind of price range are you looking at?
A Heath kit 220 is bringing about $500-700, The sb200 with the 572 b's runs about $350-$450 but they are OLDER amps and may need service when you get it home.
The Ameritron 811 series is a good newer amp but prices are about $650+ for used and may need the 10 meter add on for that price, But most will work the WARC bands.. Unlike the older amps that may tune to it but not run like they should.. Also MOST newer amps do have 160 meter unlike the older stuff for the "cheap" or cost effective type person. I fall in the later catagory I do not run 160 meter so a older amp with out it is not a problem......
Now there is Transistor amps The Ameritron ALS600 or if you can find one a Smart Cube but they do bring a premium dollar mostly due to the NO TUNE aspect and there reliability...
If you are not in a hurry keep a look out on like Crackheads list or QTH.com used amp section you can find a deal but best have a few bucks in your pocket when that deal pops up because it will not last long...
I came across a Nation NCL-2000 in Xcellent working condition and a spare set of tubes for $300 within a 1.5 hr drive of my QTH. Again a OLDER amp NO 160 meter but at a smoking price and yes i did get it.

Like others have stated Normally the first 600 does the trick.. YOU WONT "BUST" a pile up but will get heard... Again ANTENNAS have a LOT to do with it also, so get that going first and build your antenna to run twice the power that you are looking at getting or you will still have problems..
Good luck with what you are looking for
 
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Took my time to pick an amp after getting my General ticket.

Went with a tube amp. Has its own power supply. Lots of info for them. Many guys run them and there is an abundance of parts. Dangerous to work on - compared to a solid-state amp. Yes. But I think that nothing sounds as nice as a tube amp.

Decided that I was going to choose an amp from either Heathkit, Swan, Drake, or Henry. The RF decks on those four amps are all built to last. Anything other than the ones I listed were just too expensive. The Henry was the most expensive of the bunch; but perhaps the best built of that lot. Then, I thought that the 872B tube or the 3-500Z tube would be better than the 811 tube. I've heard the 811 amp on air before, just sounded funny and made strange noises. Understand that this is common with the Amertron amps with the 811 tubes. Passed on the Kenwood, Dentron, or Yaesu amps too; their track record is a bit flakey.

Finally waited and passed on more than a few amps before a Swan Mk II popped up with two 3-500Z tubes. Got it for a very fair price. I think that waiting for the right amp was useful; it gave me time to find out what they are made of and how they work. Gave me time to research and learn. Read a lot; I'm learning more still. Figured that I was better off with an amp that had either two 3-500Z's or four 872B's. But there is a lot more to amps than just the tubes alone.

The Swan can do legal limit/1500 watts SSB, because it has a custom transformer in it with greater output than the OEM transformer. Since this amp has so much power, it gives me the option to fold back power to a 500 watt output level and let the amp just cruise there with plenty of headroom to spare (greater duty cycle while other amps may be straining for it). Does a kilowatt without straining much too.

Sweep tube amps weren't even in the running. Sure, a pair of 3-500Z tubes aren't cheap. But there is no future in the 6LF6 tubes and the like. Unless the Russians and the Chinese start making/selling them cheap. Four sweep tubes are the same price as two new 3-500Z's and cannot offer the one-half of output power. I though the best choice for a sweep tube amp was the Palomar. But so many CBers have ran these into the ground. Just didn't want to mess with one.

Ceramic tube amps are very fussy and a little too easy to damage. Some can be very expensive because they are no longer made. Some amps that run these have been converted to other tube types. They just don't sound like real glass does - either. Since I am a beginner too, just don't need that kind of trouble.

BTW; already had a dedicated 220VAC line in the shack.

Most of what I wrote was based on research before I spent one single dime.

$700-$800 should be a working price for a used decent brand of amp, in decent shape, with decent tubes - IMO. For a Henry amp, $200 more would be quite fair too.

Just my two cents worth.

Didn't buy the first thing that popped up; I waited.
Got it for a better price that way too; patience wins . . .
 
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10-160?

Sb200 or SB220 will not do that.

SB-1000 or any of the ameritron type AL80's series.

single 3-500, plain simple amp easy to repair and solid as a tank.

I have an SB-1000 easy KW out on all bands.

with a little bit of rework on the tuned input it will work the warcs also.

stay away from the dentron clippeton's they built marginal and need a few mods to make them stable above 20 meters, also the tuned tank circuit leaves a lto to be desired on top band.
 
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Oops, I forgot that they don't go there. I never had an antenna for 160 so never needed to go there.

is the limitation in the tubes? Never had a 160m antenna? Well sir let me introduce you to baling wire, lol

But really what's the main reason it can't be used on 160?
 

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