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Hmm.. If that's the case, then I guess I'll have to live with the losses. Although I do know several people near me who have strung 10-20m dipoles and G5RVs vertically from the tops of trees with little effect on their usefulness, so I'm hoping for a similar experience. I'm definitely missing my old house which was on a 3 acre plot, but I sold it 5 years ago when I married my wife. This IMAX is from those days.. I had it on a 50 ft telescoping mast with no ground plane and I used to have no problem talking wherever I wanted to on 25W PEP.. I miss those days :(.