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You fellows, Moleculo, Jazzsinger, and Captain Kilowatt are making a point that I seem to have run into with my use of a 5/8 and my Qv4k vs the Astroplane. I actually got better results into the surrounding hills from the AP. To the point that I am determined to redo my homebrews in due time to be sure it wasn't design flaws instead of just a better suited antenna in this local terrain. I suspect it's the latter.