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What's making this QRM?

DXman

Yes, that's 3100 degrees F. Nine yrs of hard work.
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Just thought I would see what ideas everyone may have. I only have this QRM in the afternoons and only when pointing beam into the N.Pacific (like to Japan etc.)
The noise starts around 2:00pm and ends about 45 min. after darkness.

I have a link here from youtube, where I am talking with a station in Thailand, here you can here the QRM on his radio. It's the very same noise that I rx here.

QSO with 2SD178 Larry, Washington from my holiday QTH 153 Thailand - YouTube
 

Well Robb, I read the link, but all the guys that I talk to in Alaska absolutely do not have that noise.

I really believe it's just atmosphere conditions, because the guys in Hong Kong/Thailand hear it very strong also.
 
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First of all, I turned my beam in that direction and I haven't heard squat.

What can be known about HAARP is on their FAQ page:

"...A high power transmitter and antenna array operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The transmitter is capable of delivering up to 3.6 million Watts to an antenna system consisting of 180 crossed dipole antennas arranged as a rectangular, planar array.
A complete and extensive set of scientific instruments for observation of both the background auroral ionosphere and of the effects produced during active research using the transmitter system. Output from these instruments is readily available world-wide in near real time over the Internet..."

Now, I'm not saying that I go with all the hype and BS stories that have been rolling around, but if you are using "3.6 million Watts" (that's 'Watts' with a capital 'W') on ANY HF freq - there are going to be harmonics/spurs/noise.

Gee...wonder what 50kw (est.) of noise and spurs sounds like?

EDIT: Just heard 101AT170 Papua New Guinea 27.520USB 5/7 . . .
 
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Robb - what you are saying could very well be the problem.

Might have to give them guys a call up there and have them shut it down for a couple days and see what might take place.............:wink:

I have never checked to see if it's on 10 meters or other bands, but I will check in a couple hours.

Oh.....you won't here it down there, your to far south.
 
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I thought this might be pertinent:

" . . . Using the ions in the ionnosphere
What role do the ions in the ionosphere play in radio propagation? Most hams know that it's the FREE ELECTRONS that do the real work for us in skywave propagation. Do the ions do anything for us, other than sort of hold the electrons in place?

It depends on the power.

For most amateur radio purposes, the direct interaction between radio waves and ions in the ionosphere is negligible. In addition, the interaction between radio waves and free electrons is surprisingly linear.
However, with enough power, you can wobble ions around enough to have some really interesting interactions....and most of the NON-LINEAR phenomena one observes with facilities like HAARP or the now-decommissioned HIPAS Observatory are due to direct ion-radio wave interaction.

The Luxembourg Effect was the first encounter with the non-linear FREQUENCY MIXING properties of the ionosphere, which only happens if you pump the thing hard enough to accelerate ions directly.

Another fascinating property...one that I was intimately involved with at HIPAS was Simulated Electromagnetic Emission (SEE). As it turns out, if you pump the ionosphere hard enough with a PURE CW carrier, you get an UPPER SIDEBAND carrier emitted. This carrier is just a few tens of Hz above the pump carrier. I helped design some precision direct conversion receivers capable of separating this SEE signal. The physics of SEE is still largely unknown, but it seems to be related to the change of excitation states of ionospheric atoms....very similar to a laser's "population inversion." In any case, it's really cool stuff.

Is there any way Hams can take advantage of direct ion interactions? Possibly. There is increasing evidence that PARAMETRIC AMPLIFICATION can take place, especially on 80 meters. This is where a radio signal can actually ACCUMULATE more power as it travels around an ionospheric duct. Unlike SEE, Parametric Amplification IS a well understood phenomenon....it is the process by which a child (at least a fairly coordinated one!) can pump a swing from a dead start without an outside push.

The importance of being there:

Such "sightings" are obviously rare occurrences. Because of this, it is crucially important that when hams discover something unusual or phenomenal, they need to take careful notes, and not just pass it off as "something odd." This is one of the best reasons to keep an actual log book.....WITH NOTES!

By just being observant hams can indeed still make "contributions to the radio art." as described in FCC Part 97.1.b.

Eric . . ."

From:
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?334487-Using-the-ions-in-the-ionnosphere/page2
 
Switching power supplers will often generate a drifting signal in the 18 to 30 mhz region.
 
Garth that was some nasty noise. I didn't know that thing even existed until Robb posted it.

Ya, the noise that I am hearing is completely different and tonight it was gone and also no conditions for the Pacific rim either. So it must be just an atmospheric thing.

Ok, now half the mystery is solved........
 
I had heard that there was a radio operator in the Pacific north-west that didn't know about HAARP. Now I know who it was. :whistle:

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(Stupid guy won't roll over %$#&^#)
 

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