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Airmail ops?

Moleculo

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Anybody here using Airmail? I wouldn't mind hooking up with a few forum members over Airmail if I knew some addresses.

BTW, if you haven't done this, it's pretty cool...email from anywhere with a simple computer, radio, and TNC. If you NEED to get a message out, you can.
 

Airmail is under the Winlink suite umbrella.

If I have it right, Winlink is the VHF/UHF email component and Airmail is the HF mail component. There are also some other bits and pieces.

Winlink is a bit controversial due to the source not being opened and the project being controlled by just a few people. Though it is free of charge last I knew.

Look up Flex-Net as well, it's another alternate method of doing IP over packet and basically supports anything that speaks IP so you aren't quite as tied into the Winlink applications.

I just got my Diamond X-510 up 30' at its base yesterday so packet is my next area to muck around in once I get a TNC.
 
Winlid,I mean Winlink, is controversial for other reasons as well. Like transmitting data packets over top of existing QSO's because the originating station will not/can not listen to the freq first. That is a BIG bone of contention.
 
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Airmail uses the Winlink protocol (or others). Airmail is the client side (PC) program program that is a lot like using Outlook Express. Essentially, it's a way to send email either over the internet, or using HF. It's free to Hams and MARS ops. If you are a maritime user, there are some specific sets of functionality, as well.

You can download the application from http://www.airmail2000.com/. You need a Windows PC, HF station, and a TNC capable of doing at least PACTOR 1 over HF. If you've got the money, newer TNCs that can do Pactor 2 or 3 will be waaaaay faster. I've found that for sending text email mesages, Pactor 1 is more than fast enough. If you want to send attachments, then you need a TNC that can do one of the faster protocols.

Make sure you download and install the ICEPACK (sp?) propagation program in it's default directory. It's all on the website. If you do that, the system can use your location, current propagation info, and target frequencies to determine whether or not you should be able to connect to the destination server. In my experience, that's a guideline at best, but it does help.

Anyway, if you have the equipment, definately try it out. I can help you get it going if needed.
 
If I have it right, Winlink is the VHF/UHF email component and Airmail is the HF mail component.

That's not quite right. I copied a more detailed explanation below from the winlink.org website:


The Winlink 2000 Network:

Winlink 2000 is a worldwide radio messaging system that takes advantage of the Internet where possible. It does this in order to allow the end-user more radio spectrum on the crowded spectrum. Winlink 2000 has an interesting history that may be worth reviewing. Currently, there are approximately 9,300 radio users on all the classes of users and approximately 98,000 Internet recipients. Monthly traffic averages over 150,000 messages or 280,000 minutes. Each message has an average duration of approximately 3.4 minutes and each message averages approximately 3,200 bytes. The Pactor 1, 2 and 3 protocols are used on HF, and AX.25 Packet, D-Star and 802.11 are used on VHF/UHF. Growth of the system is dependent on the various classes of users, including normal Amateur use, emergency communications organizations such as the ARRL ARES® and RACES, the UK Cadet forces, Army MARS and others. Most recently, there has been an increasing interest in emergency communications, and the Winlink 2000 development team has responded by adding features and functions that make the system more reliable, flexible and redundant. The role of Winlink 2000 in emergency communications is to supplement existing methodologies to add another tool in the toolkit of the various volunteer services deploying such emergency communications in their communities of interests.

Winlink 2000 has been assisting the maritime community, NOAA, the United Nations, the US. Coast
Guard and other agencies for over 6 years now. Only recently has it been brought to the attention of the greater emergency communications community due to recent domestic disasters.

Over the last several years, the system is used almost daily by the maritime community for locating lost vessels. The US Coast Guard requests the location and condition of vessels from the 7,500 plus maritime Winlink users on an on-going basis. In addition, during the Asian Tsunami, Winlink 2000 maritime users played an important role in early communications. This was also true of the Chilean/Peruvian storms, the failure of INTELSAT 804, which left hundreds of Islands without reliable communications, and many other hurricane related episodes in the Caribbean and Atlantic Sea. Such acts went unnoticed until the domestic weather disasters brought Winlink 2000 to the attention of many, including ahttp://www.winlink.org/news.htm#congress[FONT=Century Gothic, Arial, Helvetica]positive mentionin post-Katrina reports from the US House of Representatives and the White House.[/FONT]

Several years ago, the Department of Homeland Security suggested to the ARRL president that the Amateur community should design and maintain a national digital network for emergency communications purposes. Winlink 2000 was their network of choice. Today, the ARRL Amateur Radio Emergency Service® (ARES) and Radio amateur civil emergency service (RACES) has been busy deploying Winlink 2000 county by county across the country . In addition other non-Amateur volunteer services such as the Army Military Affiliate Radio System and the UK Cadet Forces, the Salvation Army, the GA Baptist Relief organization, and many other such agencies have utilized Winlink 2000 for their radio e-mail, both in emergencies and when no other communications outlets have been available . These most recent activities resulted from the use of Winlink 2000 during the most recent domestic hurricane disasters.

The Winlink 2000 system is a "star" based network containing 3 mirror image, redundant COMMON MESSAGE SERVERS (CMS), one in San Diego, one in Detroit and one in Perth, Australia. These insure that the system will remain in operation should any chunk of the Internet become inoperative. Each Radio Message Server node (RMS) is tied together as would be the ends of a spoke on a wheel with the hubbing being done by the Common Message Servers. Traffic goes in and out between the CMS and the Internet email recipient, and between the end users and the Radio Message Server gateways. Multiple Radio-to-Radio addresses may be mixed with radio-to-internet e-mail addresses, allowing complete flexibility.

Because Winlink 2000 uses de facto e-mail (IETF RFC 2821) as its format, it provides direct Radio users and Internet third-party users seamless, transparent email with attachments of reasonable size without any additional stress or learning curve. This allows any mobile or portable operation to interface into the Internet e-mail system from virtually anywhere in the World over the various separate classes of users such as Army MARS or the Amateur service. Each class of service is totally separated from the next so that boundaries and purposes are not mixed. Army MARS only sees Army MARS
station and users, while the Amateur stations only sees Amateur users.

Because each Radio Message Server gateway is a mirror image of the next, it does not matter which station is used. They all look the same. Each can provide over 700 text-based or graphic Weather products, and each can relay the user's position to a WEB based view of reporting users. This keeps family, friends or, in a disaster, tactical positions in view. The views can zoom to the street level via a standard street map, a satellite view or a mixture of both.

The Army, Air Force and Navy Military Affiliate Radio System (MARS) now have a widely spread, redundant, mirror image, Radio message Servers called "PMBOs" covering the US, Europe and the Middle East. In addition, the Department of Homeland Security is sponsoring a Common Message Server to add to the reliability of the Tri-MARS Winlink 2000 service. The joint MARS Winlink 2000 network is now postured for any domestic disaster with point-to-multipoint digital Radio e-mail. An expanded Global network is planned. Because of the Army, Air Force and Navy MARS infrastructure, and due to the procedural training it demands of its volunteer members, Winlink 2000 fits in perfectly. When or if it is necessary to deploy this radio messaging system for any disaster event, its proven effectiveness from past disasters coupled with MARS proven procedures, should bring effective communications to those in need.

For emergency services, like any other communications system, the effectiveness of Winlink 2000 is only as good as those who have planned for its use. One of the most valuable lessons learned from the Katrina disaster, has been the ability of those deploying the system for their own communities to build continual relationships with the agencies they wish to serve. After all, it is their "customers" who Winlink 2000 serves, and those volunteers using this digital radio messaging system must bring its capabilities to those who need them before the system can be effective.
 
Winlink is a bit controversial due to the source not being opened and the project being controlled by just a few people.

Winlid,I mean Winlink, is controversial for other reasons as well. Like transmitting data packets over top of existing QSO's because the originating station will not/can not listen to the freq first. That is a BIG bone of contention.

It's source will never be opened due to the fact that the military and government now rely on it. I don't know why that makes it controversial anway. If you are the developer of software, books, music, art, whatever, you can say who can have access to it. Just because someone else doesn't like that, doesn't make it controversial, it makes the complainer a big whiner :tt2:.

I can understand the complaints about bonehead ops transmitting data over the top of QSO's, but that's not really Winlink's fault. If a client station initiates a call while someone is QSO'ing, the host will answer. That's still the client's fault. The problem of ignoring QSO's happens in every mode, though...even phone. Personally, I can't stand the auto CW call sign timers that go off right in the middle of a QSO. But everyone seems to accept it, so I get over it.

Like it or not, Winlink is here to stay. There are just too many services that depend on it now. Besides, I think its fun to use and is really cool while camping, Jeeping, etc. to be able to send location reports and trip reports to friends and family. They can even reply! If you have a TNC, you should try it!
 
It's source will never be opened due to the fact that the military and government now rely on it. I don't know why that makes it controversial anway. If you are the developer of software, books, music, art, whatever, you can say who can have access to it. Just because someone else doesn't like that, doesn't make it controversial, it makes the complainer a big whiner :tt2:.

Well...(tin foil hat time)

I work as a sysadmin. Having the government control software doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.

Example: The few developers or gov agencies can shut down your link via a remote command at will. In a disaster situation that doesn't make me feel good at all.

As for the lack of carrier detection, if that's really true, that entire system should not be permitted air time and it should be illegal. I was under the impression that carrier detect was just being disabled by LID operators.

If the product by default works on a packet like system and has no carrier detection it is a crime against the spectrum. Locally a few LIDs running Winlink have disrupted a long established county/state wide ARES/RACES packet network used for shelter communications. My mission will be to file complaints against them as soon as I have a TNC to decode the originating stations.

I'm an open source software guy. I wouldn't have my career if it weren't for free and open exchange of software and related information. I'm self taught and it is all due to the open source concept. To me, ham radio is very very close to that concept. You learn from having information passed down through the generations of hams. Seeing ham products like Winlink or D-Star using closed protocols in one way or another just gets under my skin.

Though...packet is really fun stuff in general and I'm looking forward to getting it going here. I encourage anyone to play with it.
 
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Well...(tin foil hat time)

Example: The few developers or gov agencies can shut down your link via a remote command at will. In a disaster situation that doesn't make me feel good at all.


I want to qualify that a bit. Post 9/11, my work site was on the adjacent corner to the smoking hole... I attended these 'planning' meetings for infrastructure recovery that were mostly attended by members of Federal, state and local governments. What I heard from these people with regard for the plans for the 'wellfare' of the public was simply frightening.

Their solution is simply martial law. The plans for the 'next 9/11' involve using the army and heavy weaponry to lock down Manhattan and not let 'free' citizens off the island to get home to their families. They were livid that people were able to flee to the safety of their homes. I'm not joking here, this is the deal.

I dropped out of any participation in this area of my work. I simply don't want to know any more about it. All I can tell you is, do NOT trust those who are supposed to be our protectors. This is a big reason why I have such a big issue with closed protocols.
 
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Mole', I get hung up on the fact that it uses the internet for a medium. I know that that would certainly be a very nice 'medium' to have access to, but also, from having 'been there' once upon a time, that having access to that 'medium' was more a 'wish' than actual fact (phone service was gone too). I also understand that access to the internet by all participating stations isn't a requirement. If it were, then why mess with a radio at all, right? I also know that using only radio as a medium has gobs of potential problems with non-participants. I really hate to think of the same sort of potential problems associated with the internet. You KNOW theres gonna be at least one who'll mess things up, intentionally or otherwise, and recovering from that potential problem could be a nightmare, if it's possible at all. All of this depends on the adaptability of the people participating. Like I said to start with, this is more a personal 'hang-up' than anything. It also means that I don't know enough about the whole thing to have a 'firm' opinion about it. But, I plan to change that. It is interesting, ain't it?? - 'Doc
 
Doc,

Winlink is designed so that it can do radio to internet, or radio to radio communications. In addition, the nodes that are connected to the internet are spread out around the world such that if any one significant "chunk" of the internet is taken down, the other nodes would still work. Of course if the entire internet was down, I believe it would just be switched over to for "radio to radio mode". Army MARS has completely switched over to using winlink as their digital message system. Navy-Marine MARS is just now implementing with the announced plan to switch over also. The old BBS based systems for digital messaging will be a complete thing of the past, very shortly.
 
Yeah the bridging of an outage area is the whole point and I will say it is a plus side to the system. Flex-Net does the same basically.
 
airmail

I looked up AIRMAIL, downloaded it, for telnet via wl2k, but it doesnt seem to go anywhere for me, when you hit mailbox before the message and then you go to telenet, it has a setup box send through/port nr/my call/and password, what do you put in there I cant find any explanation for that, I presume after that is setup it will work

DOCTOR/795
 
airmail

ADDITION
I got it to work to connect but wl2k rejects it..anyone know how to get on it's whitelist to accept my messages?
DOCTOR/75
 

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