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Best antenna location on welding truck?

338_MtRushmore

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I am want to make sure I am going to proceed in the correct direction as I am reinstalling my antenna system. I am thinking I will install a gunny puck where my current antenna is, but I have considered a 102 whip just behind the cab (above the oxygen bottles). Is there any chance I could see an improvement with the whip in that location if everything is bonded well? Or should I stay with a shorter antenna centered on the roof? I have been itching for more performance, so I figured I would bond everything, and try to squeeze everything I can without adding an amp. Any input would be appreciated, thanks!
 

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I'd put the 102 whip on it.
So you think the whip would perform better, even though almost 2 feet of it would be shielded by the cab and welder? I know they say it is the ground plane below the antenna that matters, but I'm not sure having 2 foot of metal up both sides would be helpful. With the top of the antennas at the same height, it would take someone smarter than me to know which is better.
 
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It kinda sounds like I may have to set it up both ways and see what works best. I was just hoping one of the antenna theory guys might be able so save me a little failure.
 
Make up a bracket so it's at cab height.
Then your good to go.
Would a bracket mounted behind the cab perform beter than the same antenna centered on the cab? I would rather not install any antenna that stands over 13'-6". I am already a Comercial vehicle that is over weight, I don't need to be obviously over height also. The way I see it, there is no perfect antenna system that has ever been built. An antenna has to fit certain criteria, and my only criteria is staying under 13'-6" and be omni.
 
You will be happy with the whip. Just mount it behind your cab it will work... by the way nice rig I used to be a welder in the 80"s and ran the old lincoln 200..
 
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Based off of the responses, I assume a whip in a bad spot is better than a loaded antenna in an ideal spot. Is this correct?

Not if the loaded whip is quite long, i,e 5/6ft or longer. Ground losses dominate the equation and unlike the centre loaded whip, the majority of the RF current is in the bottom of the 1/4 wave where it is closest to the body and welder and therefore will have quite an effect.
 
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Where your antenna location now is a good as your going to get. Your correct, it is the metal underneath an antenna that acts like a ground plane effect, not the metal next to it. Omni directional is best for a mobile.

Like all antennas, get it up in the air and away from being next to metal except metal underneath.

A full size 1/4 wave whip is best if you want the most out of your mobile radio, but the gains will be minimal compared to what you have now which seems to be a good antenna and ideally mounted.

1/4 whips generally have more bandwidth and are usually plug and play on 11 meters with no tuning required. At best the DB gain over a good coil loaded antenna is less than a 1/4 of a DB difference which no one on the other end will notice. It takes a 6 DB increase to gain one signal strength on someones else's radio meter. In wattage equivalent, you would have to increase your power 4 times to equal a 6 DB gain. Even a 1/4 wave whip has some current losses since they are not 50 ohms at the antenna feed point so a 1/4 wave whip isn't perfect either.

If you still prefer to use a 1/4 wave antenna then consider this. Your truck is a commercial vehicle in many states but not the type that I see required to pull in weigh stations where a DOT man could cite you for being over height. Also many states have height regulations that are at least 14 ft. You may want to look your state regulations on this to find out for sure.

Since you have welding skills, I would make up a bracket or maybe even use a 1 inch diameter galvanized pipe on a threaded floor flange which can bolt down to your truck bed for a mast to rise up from behind the cab some at least to the rear window level, then you can attach an antenna on the mast with a CB mirror bracket and adjust the height.
 
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Not if the loaded whip is quite long, i,e 5/6ft or longer. Ground losses dominate the equation and unlike the centre loaded whip, the majority of the RF current is in the bottom of the 1/4 wave where it is closest to the body and welder and therefore will have quite an effect.
If I used a loaded antenna it would be 6'-8" tall. When you say it will have quite an effect between the cab and welder, that is negitive effect, correct?
 
Ok, I think I will stay with the roof mount. The max height in south Dakota is 13'-6", and if I cross state lines I fall under federal dot regs, and that is also 13'-6". It seems that my initial assumption that a 1/4 wave would lose any advantage because it would be mounted down low is correct. Never underestimate dot regulations, I have had several tickets costing several thousand dollars for stupid violations.
 

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