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Building a Capacitor Discharge Stick…Chicken Stick…Jesus Stick

NightThumper

South of Pittsburg
Nov 8, 2017
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There are multiple ways to build a Capacitor Discharge Stick:

1). Screw drive across the cap and watch the sparks fly.
2). Holding a resistor in a pair of insulated plier and touching the caps needing discharged.
3). Placing your hand or a friends on the caps and hoping for the best.
4). Using a brazing rod wrapped in shrink wrap with a wire connected to an alligator clip.
5). Using two pieces of wire with a resistor in the middle and touching each end of the capacitor.

The only one of those 5 methods I’ve ever used is a trusty screw drive #1 above.

In my search I settled on the following manufactured Capacitor Discharge Stick which is rated to 600 volts. I’ve used it with great success to discharge AC capacitors. A little pricey but it works.

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I wanted to build a Capacitor Discharge Stick (know as CDS from henceforth) capable of discharging approximately 4KV as my amplifiers run 3.5-4KV. In my mind I can’t see an entire Bleeder Resistor board going bad. Therefore most of the voltage would be discharged by the working Bleeder Resistors. That said, better safe than sorry. After thoroughly researching the topic here’s the items I decided upon.

Parts List:
1. Teflon/PTFE Rod 2 foot long 1/2 to 1 inch diameter with at least 5/16 to 1/2 hole down center. Purchased from ZORO. McMaster-Carr has some good sizes as well.
2. Resistor…calculate value needed and then 5 watt or 10 watt. I choose these:
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3. HV wire. I purchased 15KV and 30KV. Ended up using the 30KV rated wire.
4. Probe of some kind. Banana plug, welding rod, old antenna whip whatever works. I settled on these:
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5. Shrink Wrap
6. Soldering Iron
7. Crocodile Clip for attaching to chassis or ground. These are great off Amazon:

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The reason for a hole down the center is that I’m using a 3000 ohm ohmite 10 watt resistor. I want the resistor to solder directly to my probe tip which is a banana plug and then slide it up inside the rod.

The following photos show the build:

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The above banana plug is Flood Soldered and then the capacitor lead inserted.

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Then slide the assembly up the center of your Teflon rod.

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I would greatly appreciate any feedback for ways to improve and what others see as a hazard that I haven’t considered. Yes please tell me if I have a “FATAL ERROR” in my design/project.

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When choosing the value of resistor needed one needs to consider the Ripple Current of the capacitor being discharged. This is provided in the manufactures specifications or can be calculated.

While the above CDS will discharge the dangerous voltage, I use my manufactured CDS for any voltage not discharged. Always verify with the meter on your amplifier or your volt/ohm meter that all voltage has been discharged. Even after that I still use my trusty screw drive to ground the capacitors. Keep in mind that it’s not uncommon for some voltage to develop in a discharged capacitor which is why I use a test alligator jumper to keep the capacitors discharged.

Notes: The hole down the center needs to be large enough for the resistor to slide into. I’ve found that 5/16 is usually large enough. The HV wire isn’t carrying High Voltage because it’s after the resistor. Now if you placed the Resistor at the Crocodile Clip HV is traveling that wire until it hits the resistor.

Most of the time when purchasing wire for around the home or in our autos were more concerned with Amperage rather than Voltage. Amperage is based on guage of wire while voltage handling is based on Insulation of the wire.

Brad
KE0XS
South of Pittsburgh
 
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Brad,
Good job! I don't see a flaw in your design.

My personal habit is to let the unplugged device sit for 24 hours. Check voltage with a meter and high voltage probe. I have a 1000X probe capable of (if you believe the advertising) 28KV AC and 40 KV Dc.
I already lost 1 finger. Don't want to do that again.
Yes I am a chicken!!

73
David
 
Why not to use bleeder resistors in a first place?

NEVER rely on just a bleeder stack. I was working on an AM broadcast transmitter one time that had an open bleeder. Thankfully I ALWAYS used the Jesus stick but it was the FIRST time it even went BANG!! as I shorted out the 2500 volt supply. Obviously the bleeder did not work as it was open.
 
Today I received from McMaster-Carr 3/4 dia PTFE/Teflon 2 foot long with 3/8 dia center hole. This is the perfect size for the 10 watt resistor, 15KV Neon Sign GTO Wire and banana plug tip. Here are the pictures.
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Just came across your post on the resistive discharge stick. If you use a 3000 ohm resistor at 3000vdc,the current will be 1A and the power that has to be discharged will be 3000W. How will a 10W rated resistor handle that? I think that resistor needs to be on the Megohm side.
 
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How will a 10W rated resistor handle that?
By not touching it with the power on.

It's meant to soak up what charge may be stored in capacitors, but only long enough to drain them dry. Not sure how many Watt-seconds of energy the 10-Watt resistor can soak up safely, but if it's quick enough, there won't be time enough for it to get hot.

That calculation is one I never learned how to do, so maybe it's big enough. Maybe not.

Probably is.

73
 
By not touching it with the power on.

It's meant to soak up what charge may be stored in capacitors, but only long enough to drain them dry. Not sure how many Watt-seconds of energy the 10-Watt resistor can soak up safely, but if it's quick enough, there won't be time enough for it to get hot.

That calculation is one I never learned how to do, so maybe it's big enough. Maybe not.

Probably is.

73
I've seen steel screwdriver tips deformed (arc welded) when used to short the caps on linear amp power supplies... that's why we use a low current (low power) resistive device and take our time. I maybe be wrong here but it's your life and limb at stake. Most of the time the amp bleeders will have worked and you might be lulled into a false sense of security with the stick. Remember overloaded resistors fail by opening... I would check the ohm reading across the stick each time before you use it and then double check with a voltmeter and probe rated for full voltage that the caps are actually discharged after using it.
 
I've seen smaller low ohm wirewounds explode on a 3000 volt supply. I'd recommend making your Jesus stick more robust. I still use the one I made in the late 80's. It's constructed with a 47K - 225W Dale wirewound resistor. Low enough ohms to discharge fairly quickly yet high enough ohms to keep the crack of the initial arc down to a minimum. Good enough for 4000 volts or less. If you are going to be discharging 6-10,000 volt supplies, I'd up the resistor to 100K - 225W.
 
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or, and just hear me out, you just toss it to the neighbor and yell catch................oh wait nevermind. oh thatd be terrible
 
ok seriously, i dont know if its heavy enough. the amount of discharge energy from a resistor blowing apart can be immense. you have potential arc flash at the point of separation and shrapnel from the insulated rod.
 
No need for 225 watts in a simple Jesus stick. All the broadcast transmitters I serviced had a stick mounted just inside the rear cabinet door. It had no resistor at all. No need. It was a direct short to ground. If the bleeders did their job there would be little to no arc at all by the time you shut the TX down and opened the cabinet. If, and in one case it did, the bleeder failed and there was quite a SNAP!! when the cap was discharged but that was all. IMHO all HV supplies should have bleeders.Point of note here: NEVER EVER assume the stick did it's job. ALWAYS check the voltage after discharge to make sure.
 
No need for 225 watts in a simple Jesus stick. All the broadcast transmitters I serviced had a stick mounted just inside the rear cabinet door. It had no resistor at all. No need. It was a direct short to ground. ....... IMHO all HV supplies should have bleeders.Point of note here: NEVER EVER assume the stick did it's job. ALWAYS check the voltage after discharge to make sure.
Amen

73
Jeff
 

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