CERTAIN HF$ NEVER HEARD ON 11METERS

[w9cll]

Am mode is a fully modulated carrier, not 1 watt swinging to?

Blasphemy!

 

[w9cll]

Err,........... No, Icom never said anything like that about the 718,

I know i was being overly dramatic

 

[Sonar]

Icom wanted to get in the SDR game so they came out with the 7300.
Saved a bunch of money by not having to use all the components in the IF circuit of a
superhet receiver.
Where they screwed the pooch was not using better A/D converters to process the
signal(read ie. Cheap).
If they would have used the more expensive & better performing ones like used in the
newest Flex radios it would have made a huge difference in performance.
As far as HF radios on AM some sound better than others -Kenwood TS-570
uses audio from both sidebands in AM mode, also the TS-480.
Don't know about Icom, they may still only use the audio from one sideband like they
all did in the older HF radios.
Am mode is a fully modulated carrier, not 1 watt swinging to?
If you stop trying to get any HF rig to sound like a CB & use a 10-15 watt carrier
and adjust your mic gain properly most newer HF rigs sound pretty good on AM.
Listen on 7.190 or 3.890 to the AM guys with their old AM gear, no big swing just
a solid carrier with solid steady modulation.

It's coincidental you mentioned the Kenwood 570 sounding good on AM.
There's a local who switches between a cobra 2000 and 570 (with the cheapest heil mic) on AM. And the 570 sounds excellent (on AM.)
I always joke with him. Telling him I've no idea why he even uses the Cobra 2000 (on AM.) In actuality I'm not joking. The Kenwood 570 sounds so much better than the cobra 2000 (on AM.) It sounds so good that for a while I checked out the going prices for a used 570. He uses a heil ptt cb 11 as his push to talk studio mic switch along with the 570. I'm sure one could find a nice 570 for $500. I once asked him to switch the 570 over to ssb and believe it or not I didn't like the way it sounded at all. But on AM it sounds superb. I suspect switching the 570 from AM to SSB without making some adjustments to the transceiver is why it didn't sound good on SSB. If a Kenwood 570 has the capabilities of sounding as good on SSB as it does on AM (and I suspected it does) anyone looking for an HF transceiver that sounds good on AM should look at the 570. After a little research I did discover that the Kenwood 570 DG was an improved 570. The difference between the prices from the 570 to the 570 DG where substantial if I recall. Possibly $300 more for the DG. 73

 

[oldtymer]

It's coincidental you mentioned the Kenwood 570 sounding good on AM.
There's a local who switches between a cobra 2000 and 570 (with the cheapest heil mic) on AM. And the 570 sounds excellent (on AM.)
I always joke with him. Telling him I've no idea why he even uses the Cobra 2000 (on AM.) In actuality I'm not joking. The Kenwood 570 sounds so much better than the cobra 2000 (on AM.) It sounds so good that for a while I checked out the going prices for a used 570. He uses a heil ptt cb 11 as his push to talk studio mic switch along with the 570. I'm sure one could find a nice 570 for $500. I once asked him to switch the 570 over to ssb and believe it or not I didn't like the way it sounded at all. But on AM it sounds superb. I suspect switching the 570 from AM to SSB without making some adjustments to the transceiver is why it didn't sound good on SSB. If a Kenwood 570 has the capabilities of sounding as good on SSB as it does on AM (and I suspected it does) anyone looking for an HF transceiver that sounds good on AM should look at the 570. After a little research I did discover that the Kenwood 570 DG was an improved 570. The difference between the prices from the 570 to the 570 DG where substantial if I recall. Possibly $300 more for the DG. 73

The first 570's lacked some menu options for the DSP & TX & RCV audio adjustments.
Kenwood later upgraded them for $25.00 . The 570 DG version had the upgraded firmware. The 570S version has 6 meters also and was about $250.00 more if bought new.
The op you are referring to is probably using the wrong menu, mic gain or processor
settings when using ssb As good as they sound on AM they are equally sweet on ssb
if properly adjusted.
They are available on the used market from $450-$550 depending on model and
condition. I recently sold mine locally to a friend who now has two of them. When I asked him why He wanted another one his reply was" I know where this one came from & they don't make them anymore. In case something happens to mine a spare is nice
to have"
I recently had bought a mint TS-480 SAT from a local that I know & that is my daily driver now.
PS Either one is also a superb FM rig if you enjoy that mode

 

[RetroGrouch]

Good for them

No, BAD for them, GOOD for Icom, Yaesu, Kenwood, Flex, and others who will be splitting the million$ in profits Elecraft won't be getting from old fart SSBers who will never pick up a licensing manual but just want to chat a few fishing stories at 5:00am, or the other 88% of Hams (besides you & your genre of course) who want to join them on one rig they love for 2m/6m-160m.

 

[Gypsy707]

Some of us are poor, have families, other financial commitments and spending $1500 for a rig is a huge expense. Rigs like the Alinco and the Icom 718 are viable options to buying used if someone wants new. Yes they have their faults but ones that can be lived with.

The 718 with all the options installed is a respectable rig on any budget. Often underestimated.

 

[Gypsy707]

Lots of Alincos have been opened up and used on Citizens Band less Ten-Tecs because a large majority of the mobile and budget Ten-Tecs specifically did not include Ancient Mariner modulation and some had cumbersome notch filtering to preclude 11M operation. Ten-Tec was a very high quality rig. I agree with the post that said how would you know what they’re running because smart CBers don’t advertise that they’re using ham gear.