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Coax For Cophase Setup

How about front to back?
Can you do it that way?
If not; then running a single antenna centrally on the roof may be the only PRACTICAL solution. That is power, phasing, and SWR won't have a problem with a single coil antenna. They are rated for a lot more than 1200 watts each - alone...
Using a tri-magnet mouint and Belden 9913Flex coax should work OK...
Phasing and SWR are going to big issues with the 69 inch distance between two antennas - no way around that - as far as I know.
Just two cents...
 
The way the antenna is setup now is the only way to set it up I am looking to seup one more just like ti
 
The clear mini8 is 52 ohm and for cophase you need 75 ohm coax. I worked at "Bobs CB" in Ventura California as a radio and antenna installer for almost four years and in that time I did a lot of cophase setups. On the vehicle you have a single antenna will give better all around performance without doubt. But if you want to do it anyway you can use cable tv 75 ohm coax which is double shielded and will take quite a bit of power. Run the coax from the antennas all the way to the pl259 connector that will screw onto the radio. Using a "tee" connector can cause SWR issues. Good luck on the install, let us know how it performs for you.

skipper1
 
If I were to buy that clear mini 8 18ft coax from the truck stop would that work

If it is a "co-phase harness", then yes.

HOWEVER, I know nothing about the construction and longevity of that clear mini-8. Might last years, might have a 30-30 warranty.*

I prefer black co-ax for outside use because there is some possibility it is impregnated with sun-resistant molecules of goodness. CLEAR? not so much possibility.

*30-30 warranty... the warranty that your automobile actually comes with. 30 feet or 30 seconds, whichever comes first.

GOOD Mornin'!

Rob
 
Even a quarter wave apart (if you could get it), two antennas driven in phase are not going to be all that directional. If you want it for the look that's OK. If it's performance you want, a single good antenna in the center of the roof would be the route I'd take.


Rick
 
Oops!
Forget that RG-9, I meant RG-11. Sorry 'bout that.
If you can find any, there used to be some 93 ohm coax on the market. That would work even better than the 75 ohm stuff. Don't hold your breath, but just in case...
- 'Doc
 
Looks like some good cable for burying. That gel for sealing is certainly nice until you have to work with it, then it's a PITA. Would I recommend it? No, but then I've dealt with that 'sealing' coax before and never plan to again! Can't say there's anything particularly wrong with it all though. So if you wanna, why not?
- 'Doc
 
when you get your driver side antenna swr tuned and working the way you want it to then buy another coily just like it and a mount just like it
then mount it and take the other antenna off while tuning the other antenna

use 9 foot of coax from each antenna
then when you come to the back of the radio put you a T connector inline
then call it good.
 
Why 9 feet of coax? It isn't a very significant length electrically and certainly not a 1/4 wave length for RF at 27 Mhz. And if it isn't a 1/4 wave length, or it's equivalent, why use it?
- 'Doc
 
Why 9 feet of coax? It isn't a very significant length electrically and certainly not a 1/4 wave length for RF at 27 Mhz. And if it isn't a 1/4 wave length, or it's equivalent, why use it?
- 'Doc

Good point 'Doc. I have never been able to convince anybody to try and tune the harness by trimming, the old fashion way. We did it that way back in the late 70 so we didn't have to know what the VF was so we could do the math trick. Trimming was a way to let the tune deal with this factor and get results. We did not get flat matches like everyone wants today. We stopped when we got a solid 1.5 or 1.9 SWR match and they worked pretty good with 75 ohm an 100 ohm if you could find it. Sometime we even ended up just barely reaching from side to side with the harness on some pickup truck rear bumper were we ran 102" whips.
 
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when you get your driver side antenna swr tuned and working the way you want it to then buy another coily just like it and a mount just like it
then mount it and take the other antenna off while tuning the other antenna

use 9 foot of coax from each antenna
then when you come to the back of the radio put you a T connector inline
then call it good.

when cophasing antennas at US cb frequencies the 75 ohm (usually rg59/u) cables from the antenna to the point where they couple via a splitter either at the back of the radio or a multiple of halwaves (12ft,24ft,36ft,etc) of 50 ohm coax (usually rg58c/u) from the radio should either be 6ft or 18 foot,6ft being a 1/4 wave q section and 18ft being the equivalent 3/4 wave 3xq sections or more correctly a 1/4 section + a 1/2 wave repeating section.

it makes no difference if you bring the cables together at the radio or multiples of a halfwave from the radio,what the q section does is step the 50 ohm off the antenna up too 100 ohms as in this case it is a 2:1 ratio transformer so that when both 100 ohms are joined in parallel the radio sees the 50 ohms it needs to transfer power efficiently.

each individual antenna should be tuned with a dummy load replacing the other antenna till both are tuned the same,at which point you can replace the dummy load with the 2nd antenna,this is equally applicable in base setup's or high power mobile setups where rg11/u would generally replace the rg59/u and rg213/u would replace the rg58c/u.

using 50 ohm foam type dielectric cables like rg mini 8 the halfwave repeating section is around 14ft 3 inches and multiples off that and the 75 ohm q section on 75 ohm foam dielectric cables like rg6/u would be around 7ft 1.5 inches or odd multiples thereof.the same dimensions would apply to heavy duty foam dielectric cables too for base/high power mobile setups.

it ain't rocket science.but its best to use high quality military spec cables and good quality amphenol or better connectors for best results.if you can't achieve the minimum 1/4 wave spacing off 9 feet on mobiles then dual antennas are probably a waste of money,a lot off hassle and won't show any worthwhile improvement over a high position centrally mounted
single antenna of the same type.all they will do is distort the radiation pattern,but they might look cool to your buddies,lol.
 

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