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Do hams use any type of 'tracking devices" to determine where you key up?

Radio is Federal jurisdiction.
There is Bill HR-2346 that authorizes states and localities to enact laws that prohibit the use of unauthorized CB equipment--consistent with FCC regulations. This would include the use of high-power linear amplifiers or equipment that was not FCC-certificated, Specifically, the bill enables state or local regulation over the "use of Citizens Band radio equipment not authorized by the Commission" and "the unauthorized operation of Citizens Band radio equipment" between 24 and 35 MHz.
But, they must first enact laws, then provide the man power to enforce it, and many states have not done this, they feel that they can not keep up with the work load now.
On top of that, Anyone affected by the enforcement of such legislation could appeal to the FCC if they believed the state or local government had overstepped its authority under the new law, so it is possible that the state can do all this work, and still have to drop it back into the fed`s lap anyway because the FCC will not yield its authority to regulate Citizens Band or other radio services.
I get the feeling from talking with my friend ( he is a Volunteer ) that the city feels it is easier in the long run to make some changes to some of the radio equipment that is ageing anyway, and solve the problem rather than get into the business of enforcing problems with cb radio.......it has already caused them quite a headache from what I understand.
Some of the problem has already been mitigated greatly by RF bypassing and shielding of the PA system in the Station were the interference was reported.
The bottom line seems to be, do not count on the FCC to Jump right up to the plate to solve the problem, they seem to have bigger concerns.
He is a true idiot, there is no doubt in my mind that the first time he was warned by the FCC and got away with the warning, he could have taken steps to resolve the issue...even to the point of working with the Fire department, or fixing the problem with what I am sure is a dirty signal ( after all the agents noted that there were times he was transmitting, with no interference, Can you say dirty amplifier ? ) but he would have none of it.
IMHO, he is a very vile person that cares about no one but himself.
The Bad thing is, it is nut cases like this that many radio operators are judged by from a general public point of view, both on the Ham side of the fence, as well as CB guys that do try to run a clean station.
Most people that have any kind of morals would never continue to operate a station that caused a problem with a service that saves lives and property.



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Jeff
 
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I have the capability, using a beam antenna, to determine a general direction. Looking at signal strength, I can determine a rough distance. Over time, the rogue station can be located. In my area, recently, this was done. Othere were involved, with similar methods. If it is a "one time deal" then tracking is next to impossible. If the idiot wants to make themselves known... each incident allows those involved in tracking to make a case. Word travels... you get a lot of us in the background trading info via email or phone calls.
 
Yes for 95% of all transmissions! Fact

If your a ham you give the other person your callsign They can look you up on QRZ LOL.....^^^^^^^^^^^^^.........
 
That's if you choose not to use your own call sign and do use someone else's.:whistle:


True,there are assholes pirating callsigns everywhere however I would suspect that 99.99% of contacts made on the ham bands are made with honest intent and using the proper callsigns. There are a couple well known freqs. where that happens a lot but as for the normal contact it's not an issue.
 
The world is full of bad natured people regardless of licensing by the FCC and cannot build held to a higher standard which would be social classing which is no less a crime than segregation of any particular race or nationality.

People are people and anyone can be bad natured.
 
Do hams use any type of 'tracking devices" to determine where you key up?

No......but you can find out exactly where a ham is as soon as he gives his call sign.....just go online and look it up....it will tell you exactly where he is.....but who cares....unless you want to send him a qsl card. :)
 
No......but you can find out exactly where a ham is as soon as he gives his call sign.....just go online and look it up....it will tell you exactly where he is.....but who cares....unless you want to send him a qsl card. :)

Not exactly. In the USA doing so will simply supply the mailing address provided to the FCC. The station can be operated from anywhere within the jurisdiction of the FCC without any indication to the contrary.
 
Not exactly. In the USA doing so will simply supply the mailing address provided to the FCC. The station can be operated from anywhere within the jurisdiction of the FCC without any indication to the contrary.

Looking up a call sign will give you name and address and a lot of other info....fcc licensed station info is open to the public.
 
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No......but you can find out exactly where a ham is as soon as he gives his call sign.....just go online and look it up....it will tell you exactly where he is.....but who cares....unless you want to send him a qsl card. :)

I already know this....what I was getting at, is let's suppose someone who doesn't have a ham license, buys a ham radio at a garage sale or whatever, and decides to get on the air and start making noises, or cussing, etc. with the intent to upset anyone else on the air.

Or even worse, a ham that decides to be a pest over the air and irritate people, decides to not give his call sign and instead would rather issue verbal threats (radio rambo)....

If it's a 1 time deal or whatever, then as some of you have said, unless he's transmitting, good luck hunting him down. I would have thought in this day and age, there was some sort of computer tracking device that hooked to your ham radio, that when detected a receive into your radio, could geographically pinpoint where someone was transmitting from.
 
What you are talking about is an impossibility and that is why it does not exist. It is impossible to determine bearing AND range from a single location when receiving a radio signal. You can determine bearing relative to your location but nut range. Range is affected by power output, antenna gain, path losses etc all or which are variable. Two stations can determine both range and location but with poor accuracy. It takes three stations to get the location localized. As far as AFTER the station has stopped transmitting, you can't detect something that does not exist.

There is a company, Motron, that makes transmitter fingerprinting software that works on a PC connected to a receiver. The software analyzes the first keyup pulse of a radio signal and can determine if the signal is coming from the same source transmitter or if there are various people doing the same thing. Even the FCC uses it to determine if the transmitter they are monitoring is in fact the same one they monitored earlier. Note that this software does NOT locate but will IDENTIFY if it is in fact the target transmitter being looked for.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.38.9893%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&rct=j&q=MoTron%20TxID&ei=kYuZTpCvHOTN0AHOqvioBA&usg=AFQjCNEa6Uzp9eFmq0x9Di4nwsR2c-u-0A&cad=rja
 
I already know this....what I was getting at, is let's suppose someone who doesn't have a ham license, buys a ham radio at a garage sale or whatever, and decides to get on the air and start making noises, or cussing, etc. with the intent to upset anyone else on the air.

Or even worse, a ham that decides to be a pest over the air and irritate people, decides to not give his call sign and instead would rather issue verbal threats (radio rambo)....

If it's a 1 time deal or whatever, then as some of you have said, unless he's transmitting, good luck hunting him down. I would have thought in this day and age, there was some sort of computer tracking device that hooked to your ham radio, that when detected a receive into your radio, could geographically pinpoint where someone was transmitting from.

Like I said...no.......cell phones yes....ham or CB radios....no. :)
 

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