HAARP?

[Shockwave]

Just read the patent by Dr Eastlund. It does not describe a research tool. It describes a weapon and uses the word specifically.

 

[nomadradio]

An antenna array in a square 40 miles on a side? HAARP doesn't quite qualify.

73

 

[Shockwave]

Hurricanes happen because the oceans are getting warmer. Can HAARP cool them? Evaporation leads to storms, you can't reverse that with a heater!

Does HF even interact with water molecules? No. The "weather" is transparent to HF. The frequencies that do significantly interact with water are UHF, and those antennas are the size of large mobile homes. So what theory remains???

Lets say you use HF to punch a hole in the ionosphere that lasts a couple minutes. Could cosmic radiation get in and warm some clouds, maybe, I don't know. But what is obvious is that it can only be done directly overhead. How would they do that to a location around the globe when the thing they need to disrupt is the same thing that gets the signal there? You would need several transmitter sites all tuned to focus on one area so all the energy takes separate paths to the target. They have one transmitter site, so any weather modification would be more evident directly above them than anywhere else..

Lets say you got a cloud hot with pure magic. Convection occurs. What then? It might rain for 5 minutes until the falling moisture cools the tiny artificial updraft? It won't make a rogue thunderhead with sharp teeth...

"Conspiracy theorists" would do good by not buying into the "theories" planted by the opposing party. This is how "that one side" puts "stupid conspiracy theorist" labels on the other side. It immediately discredits you with respect to the theories that are actually supported by facts. Make a person with good points say something dumb and suddenly everything they say is untrustworthy. Just because it plays into your fears or concerns doesn't make it fact. The value of everything else a person says is diminished, whether it is true or not, by repeating the things they plant intended to discredit the "conspiracy theorist".

Nobody will listen to you talk about how a plane loaded with JP8 can have a 5 second fireball and no wreckage if you start the conversation with planned hurricanes. Its a trap. Rant complete. Sorry.

Edit:anyone truly set on believing that haarp is used for weather modification should do two things. Monitor significant global weather patterns and monitor the frequencies HAARP uses to identify a correlation. Anything short of that effort isn't worth discussing.

This has nothing to do with parties or theories. It specifically relates to Dr Eastlund's patent for HAARP. Have you read it? Has anyone here commenting, taken the time to read this patent? It's available for free online. Use the Google find function to locate keywords like weather, manipulate, jet stream, weapon and jamming. The patent doesn't claim to be able to create hurricanes or rain. It claims to be able to manipulate them or, direct them.

You could argue that the patent lies however, that wouldn't protect the invention, it wouldn't make it worthwhile for the US military to purchase it, it wouldn't produce the funding to increase its effective radiated Power by six-fold and it also would not support a reason for it to be copied approximately a dozen times worldwide, since this patent was first issued.

That was back in the 1980s. 40 years of research, development, construction of multiple facilities worldwide while increasing the power levels of existing ones, and you think it doesn't do what the patent says? This is a 3.6 Gigawatt, atmospheric radio frequency heater... All of that heating, produces no effect?

 

[Shockwave]

An antenna array in a square 40 miles on a side? HAARP doesn't quite qualify.

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What type of research could you be conducting when your research simultaneously injects the variable of a 3.6 Gigawatt radio frequency atmospheric heater, on the area you are researching? That is called "active research", because they are studying the effects of the variable they created within the atmosphere.

 

[brandon7861]

Research into the Luxembourg-Gorky Effect is, and has always been, what I assume that station is/was for. That is an observable effect and is proven to work, so to believe any other hypothesis would require more than a patent number, it requires facts. Countless patents are BS (ask any chemist lol), same with scientific journal entries. Some people just want to be published and have recognition at any cost. One guy even faked making an element!

The jet stream is a very well tracked and modeled thing, so much so that weather patterns are accurately predicted a month out. So why not monitor HAARP transmissions and watch for unpredicted changes in the jet stream? It is really that simple. When you do, come back and say "Here, look at these 7 times the jet stream abruptly shifted right after they keyed down." When someone does that is when I will consider that hypothesis a plausible theory and start doing my own research, but not a moment sooner.

Nothing personal, but one thing that causes me to immediately dismiss someone's hypothesis is when, apart from a distinct lack of research on their own part, they get offended when others don't immediately buy into it. Thats a huge red flag for me. Cause and effect, go connect the two and come back with the results. If it is indeed happening, it should be very obvious.

Edit: And for the record, I don't dismiss all conspiracy theories, especially those that are firmly rooted in clear evidence. Such as a jet carrying enough JP8 to get to California disintegrating in the front yard of the Pentagon yet having just a 5-frame long fireball. Now that is worthy of discussion, but we can't have that here.