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Here is a intetesting Antenna to think about

This antenna is still listed on their current Website under Antennas - Mobiles and RV antennas.

https://www.jogunn.com/antennas/mobile-rv/

They confirmed my E mail within 30 min and E mailed me back less that a 1/2 hour after that.
Yes they do still build and sell this antenna.
Cost:
$350.22 with tax and shipping included to my location.
In regards to my question about horzontial mounting and vertical radiation they included a pdf file but nothing other than that.
See attached.
73
Jeff
 

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Eddie I have been looking.

DDRR means Directional Discontinuity Ring Radiator
Or I have seen it called
Direct Driven Ring Radiator
Also called a Hulla Hoop antenna.
http://orionmicro.com/ant/ddrr/ddrr1.htm
Have a look
This is also interesting.
I have to leave but will be back later.

73
Jeff
 

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Cost:
$350.22 with tax and shipping included to my location.

High $ for a bent center fed horizontal dipole. A typical single element CFD at 10' feet high will show a bit more gain than published for this JG RV design.

Is it possible a user of this mobile design might not perceive enough difference in a mobile setup to really tell during typical mobile use?
 
Hey 131, Midnight Special already posted a reference link to the DDRR as being similar to the Jo Gunn design. Do you know anything more about the DDRR other than what is explained in the ad?

DDRR has been around a hell of a lot longer then Joe Gunn. Its used on MW and SW a lot. Basically a horizon loop antenna that's about a foot off the ground. It produces a low angle high gain Vertical signal. Several antennas like it were made for 10/11 back in 70's for mobiles. Talk to MMM..he currently uses one and get's out grest.
 
Several antennas like it were made for 10/11 back in 70's for mobiles.

131, could you give us links to these DDRR designs that you say were designed for mobiles on 10/11 meters back in the 70's?

If not, can you tell us the manufacture and/or the names for these antennas made back then? I would like to try and model them.
 
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Is the antenna insulated from the mounting surface with those posts or does it need the vehicle as a ground? Since it's designed for RV's I'm thinking it could also be used as roof antenna in a HOA with height restrictions?

Very interesting.
 
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Doing some more work, and modeling the actual antenna (as opposed to the similar antenna mentioned above), I made two models, one sitting by itself 10 feet in the air, and another just as high with a metal sheet about a foot below it. I was able to get both antennas to tune using the gamma match. Also, for these antennas, the Y axis is along the direction the ends of the antenna points, and I am assuming that the are pointing "forward" on the vehicle.

One additional note, the red line in these models is horizontal gain, the blue line is vertical gain, and the green line the combination of the two.

To start with, horizontal plane (like we are looking down on the antenna). First the one in the air by itself, and next the one over a metal sheet.

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With the metal sheet under the antenna, we can see that we get almost 1 dB of additional gain to the front of the vehicle, at the cost of about 2 dB gain to the rear of the vehicle. I must point out that this gain is horizontal polarization, not the vertical polarization typically used for CB communication, so this will affect your ability to communicate further.

Looking along the Y axis on the vertical plane, again, antenna by itself first, antenna over metal sheet second.

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Here we see the directional effect from the side view. In the case of no metal sheet, peak gain is 55 degrees off of the horizon, and with the metal sheet peak gain is about 40 degrees off of the horizon.

Note: Horizontal gain here is the same as total gain. They are so close you can only see one of the two lines.

Now a look at the X axis.

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This is where we are seeing our vertical gain. With the metal sheet under the antenna, we have less vertical gain then without. In both situations, this gain peaks straight up.


The DB
 
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131, do you know why your buddy has his still in the box instead of using it? Do you guys have any goof pictures of this fire breathing antenna?

I checked out MMM's DDRR mobile antenna as noted in the link below.

 
Steve I mentioned above, in order for me simply to get a good match I made my model center fed on the bottom element, which is 4" inches below the top element at the front end.

Could you post an image of your antenna?
 
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Is the antenna insulated from the mounting surface with those posts or does it need the vehicle as a ground? Since it's designed for RV's I'm thinking it could also be used as roof antenna in a HOA with height restrictions?

Very interesting.
Looks like it has to be sitting on metal and the feed end is grounded to it. This might be good for the top of my golf cart with a thin sheet of aluminum added.
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