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Jo Gunn Smokin Gun ll

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Desert Rat04

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Does anyone have one of these ?? Do they really have a 28X multiplication as the old Moonraker lV did ?? I am currently replacing a PDL ll that was destroyed in storm. Looking for power without the large size if possible.

Thanks , Desertrat04


</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=desertrat04>Desert Rat04</A> at: 2/23/05 12:39 pm
 

Does anyone have one of these ?? Do they really have a 28X multiplication as the old Moonraker lV did ?? I am currently replacing a PDL ll that was destroyed in storm. Looking for power without the large size if possible.

Thanks , Desertrat04


</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=desertrat04>Desert Rat04</A> at: 2/23/05 12:39 pm

Absolutely, but what was used for the comparative antenna?

Is that perhaps 28x power multiplication when compared to a Lil Wil? They don't say now do they.

It is typical to see about ~8dBd (1/2 wave dipole reference) from a 4 element Yagi, maybe 9.5dBd from a 4 element Quad like the signal engineering Quad.

Look hard into the Jo Gunn Star series, or a Gizmachi. They use the upside down 'Y' configuration which tends to overcome phase shift on DX signals (selective fading) better then either a true vertical or horizontal Yagi.
 
I think that some antenna mfrs 'stretch the truth' a little to get people's attention. But there are few antennas that may be considered something new under the sun - so to speak.

As I have said on a few other threads about beam antennas, is that I talk to a guy locally that got one of these Joe Gunns recently. He had a Starduster before, and I could barely hear him from 13 or so miles away thru the urban sprawl of Silicon Valley. We discussed some possibilities for another antenna, and we also discussed the better points of the Joe Gunn against other antennas. A week or so later, he bought the 'Smokin Gunn II' and put it up with a cheap/effective Radio Shack antenna rotator. He also installed a home made choke balun.

We gave it a test between the distance. The claims of 2 S-units gain were NOT exaggerated by the mfr. It was audibly louder as well as stronger. Side-to-side db loss wasn't as high as the mfr said; seemed to work off axis nearly as well. The rear didn't have the db loss as the mfr also said it would. I think that it is a very effective antenna - despite some of the mfrs claims. I wouldn't say they lied about it; I would say that it was underrated - if anything. This friend can be heard loud and clear without any problem now; as compared to before. No doubt about it. It was quite a difference going between barely being heard - to booming. From starting off with in the low side of my receive meter - to the edge of the red 'stawberry patch' (starting from ~S-3/5 before to S-9+). He uses a Superstar radio - BTW.

Yes; I would call that change with just an antenna quite significant! The Starduster antenna sounded like junk - comparitively. Yes, the change I'd seen between the two was far more than 2 S-units. But I attribute that to the Starduster that had seen better days. Because the Starduster was in poor shape, the difference between the two antennas was more like 5 S-units - maybe a little more.

I think for the money spent, this beam is well engineered. It is light but strong; little wind resistance, can be horizontally or vertically polarized, and for the money provides tremendous bang-for-buck value. If I were to spend $350+ for a different antenna system (beam antenna and rotator, coax, etc...) or just getting into radio, that is what I would buy. From my listening perspective, I would say that it is one to look out for!
 
I talked to Paul -the owner- at Jo Gunn Antennas this week. I might be writing a review on one of his antennas. I will need to call again to discuss the particulars and choice of an antenna. Will keep you posted...
 
Does anyone have one of these ?? Do they really have a 28X multiplication as the old Moonraker lV did ?? I am currently replacing a PDL ll that was destroyed in storm. Looking for power without the large size if possible.

Thanks , Desertrat04


</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=desertrat04>Desert Rat04</A> at: 2/23/05 12:39 pm

To expect a 2 element beam to produce 12 db or 28 times multiplication factor is totally ridiculous. They are obviously not comparing this antenna against the standard half wave reference point. Remember this is about the smallest beam around and it's not going to talk like a 4 element. IMHO the PDL is the better antenna due to the fact it used a pair of full wave quad loop elements. Too bad it's not made anymore.
 
Stay away from it and get a Gizmotchy Gizmotchy Antennas Tell them Tony V in Wisconsin told you about them or if you like what you see there and have any questions Ide be happy t0o answer whatb I can about these antennas ;)

These 3 element antas or the upside down Y configuration and its 13 pounds I believe when all put together so a TV rotar will turn this thing. The Jo Gunns are heavier the service is great at Gizmotchy and Tom himself will get on the phone if needed ther honest and stretch there neck out to help with questions or with whatever they can. Gizmotchy also own Maco as of a few years ago.
 
Does anyone have one of these ?? Do they really have a 28X multiplication as the old Moonraker lV did ?? I am currently replacing a PDL ll that was destroyed in storm. Looking for power without the large size if possible.

Thanks , Desertrat04


</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p067.ezboard.com/bworldwidecbradioclub.showUserPublicProfile?gid=desertrat04>Desert Rat04</A> at: 2/23/05 12:39 pm
to answer your question without all the whoplah
no i dont have a sgII had a buddy that bought one piece of junk
no they dont have a 28 X

simple and to the point answer
 
To expect a 2 element beam to produce 12 db or 28 times multiplication factor is totally ridiculous. They are obviously not comparing this antenna against the standard half wave reference point. Remember this is about the smallest beam around and it's not going to talk like a 4 element. IMHO the PDL is the better antenna due to the fact it used a pair of full wave quad loop elements. Too bad it's not made anymore.

Maco still makes a real 2 element quad.
 
Maco still makes a real 2 element quad.

I think you are talking about the Maco V-Quad since the Y-Quad does not use a quad driven element. The problem with the V-Quad is it feeds the driven element with a single feedline between horizontal and vertical to get a combination of the two. This pretty much eats up any extra gain the quad element offered since the energy is radiated in between both planes. This is confirmed by Maco's forward gain rating on both antennas being the same. The true independent dual polarity of the PDL II quad would offer about 2 db more.
 
I think you are talking about the Maco V-Quad since the Y-Quad does not use a quad driven element. The problem with the V-Quad is it feeds the driven element with a single feedline between horizontal and vertical to get a combination of the two. This pretty much eats up any extra gain the quad element offered since the energy is radiated in between both planes. This is confirmed by Maco's forward gain rating on both antennas being the same. The true independent dual polarity of the PDL II quad would offer about 2 db more.


No, I don't bother with goofy antenna shapes. Gimmicks are a waste of time.

I tried to find a link to the Maco 2 element quad and it seems like they DON'T make it. A friend bought one about 3 years back. Guess his was a Cubex.

CUBEX 11m CB MODELS
 
No, I don't bother with goofy antenna shapes. Gimmicks are a waste of time.

I tried to find a link to the Maco 2 element quad and it seems like they DON'T make it. A friend bought one about 3 years back. Guess his was a Cubex.

CUBEX 11m CB MODELS

The Cubex is a good antenna however, it's single polarity. You loose the option of just switching coax lines to go from vertical to horizontal polarization. To the best of my knowledge Signal Engineering is the only company still advertising a quad for CB with dual polarity at Signal Engineering - The Evolution of High Performance CB Antennas!

I've written this company and asked about the prices to purchase one and never received a response. I've heard reports that the SuperHawk two element quad does not perform as well as the PDL II. Looking at both designs it seems like Signal Engineering is feeding the quad through a pair of 1/4 wave open line sections. The PDL II uses a pair of dipoles to drive the quad. I think the dipoles work more efficiently.
 
To expect a 2 element beam to produce 12 db or 28 times multiplication factor is totally ridiculous. They are obviously not comparing this antenna against the standard half wave reference point. Remember this is about the smallest beam around and it's not going to talk like a 4 element. IMHO the PDL is the better antenna due to the fact it used a pair of full wave quad loop elements. Too bad it's not made anymore.
Could you tell me the length of elements
 

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