Maco v58 and IMAX 2k

[vkrules]

Why? . If you are going to do that use the imax.

 

[Bearcat]

Why? . If you are going to do that use the imax.

I said tuned without the radials...then when I get it up on the roof I can put radials on?

 

[vkrules]

ok sorry I misunderstood.No the tune will change.

 

[The DB]

So the IMAX needs a choke and ground plane and grounded at the mast ..a lot of guys on E ham say it needs full radials?

A lot of people swear that all antennas need 1/4 wavelength ground planes, that however is not entirely true. I can point to any number of real world example that this doesn't happen. There are ways around needing a full set of radials, however every way of doing this also has a price to pay. One way is using a matching system that can cover the range of impedance mismatch that such a setup would create, then you can effectively tune out the need for a full set of radials (MFJ actually makes a device just for this purpose, the MFJ-931). This, however, depends on the tuning system. You still need something there, and the Imax has that something, a 2 foot length of tubing hidden in its design as a mounting point. With its matching system, this is all it requires. I have isolated this antenna from the mast with a fiberglass rod multiple times along with adding a coaxial choke right at the feed point in the past and the antenna still tunes and works fine. In fact, it is my recommended way to install this particular antenna, as well as the way that seems to be the most stable, short of actually adding a ground plane of some sort.

Can the Maco be tuned without the ground radials on a 6ft pole?

I'm not sure if the Maco matching system has the tuning range to tune without the radials present. Also, such a setup would have other issues that you would have to deal with such as CMC'c on the mast and feed line. I'm not saying it can't be done in any circumstance, but with an antenna specifically designed and sold with the intention of being used with said radials present, why would you want to? Also as mentioned above...

No the tune will change.

If you can even get the antenna tuned without said radials attached, adding those radials later will noticeably change that tune, requiring a full retune. If, however, you tune the antenna on said 6 foot pole and then elevate the antenna with said radials still attached, the antennas tune will change very little.


The DB

 

[Marconi]

This, however, depends on the tuning system. You still need something there, and the Imax has that something, a 2 foot length of tubing hidden in its design as a mounting point.

DB, I assume you are measuring the aluminum mounting tube at the base of the Imax...when you point to a 2' foot length of tubing hidden in its design. My Imax shows this part is only about 12" inches long.

I have isolated this antenna from the mast with a fiberglass rod multiple times along with adding a coaxial choke right at the feed point in the past and the antenna still tunes and works fine. In fact, it is my recommended way to install this particular antenna, as well as the way that seems to be the most stable, short of actually adding a ground plane of some sort.

DB, I never tested this idea using my Imax, but I did check several times with an A99 just 10' feet above the ground. I found the tune, with the VA1 directly at the feed point, remained the same...whether I had radials attached or not and whether I had the antenna Isolated or not. I was really surprised at the results.

I will admit that my isolation idea at the time was not on top of an insulator, like the I-10K, but the A99 mounted along side the mast with insulation in between. I recall Bob suggesting at the time...this way of isolation was problematic. I never got back to testing with the A99 raised up above the support mast, so you may be right.

Edit: here is a link to my talking about my test and Bob's remarks: End Fed 1/2 wave antenna

To me the A99 acted just like it does not need to be isolated or have radials attached...in order to work equally well as tuned.

I accidently destroyed all of my A99 testing results long ago, so I would like to re-test in light of your findings...but I'm just not up to it any more.

Maybe we could get someone else to do this simple test and report back using their A99 or Imax. Maybe Needle Bender, 222 in Florida, or Bearcat could try and duplicate this idea.

I recall posting my findings on WWDX in the past. I will try and find the work.

 

[The DB]

DB, I assume you are measuring the aluminum mounting tube at the base of the Imax...when you point to a 2' foot length of tubing hidden in its design. My Imax shows this part is only about 12" inches long.

As I recall offhand it was longer than a foot, so I generalized to two feet.

DB, I never tested this idea using my Imax, but I did check several times with an A99 just 10' feet above the ground. I found the tune, with the VA1 directly at the feed point, remained the same...whether I had radials attached or not and whether I had the antenna Isolated or not. I was really surprised at the results.

As you should be.

To me the A99 acted just like it does not need to be isolated or have radials attached...in order to work equally well as tuned.

Take a look at the differences in impedance for the different setups with models. With the mast in play, at 10 meters above ground in the models above, with no radials there is a rather large difference between feed point impedance with and without a mast. If a matching system can, without adjustment, tune both of these in, I can only draw one conclusion and that is the matching system is very lossy. This knowledge, however, is nothing new with these antennas.

That being said, you used a different length mast in your test, is it possible you just happened to use a lucky length?

When it comes to radials and no radials, if you have a 10 foot mast, and add 9 foot radials, these setups will provide much closer results, will they not?


The DB

 

[Marconi]

As I recall offhand it was longer than a foot, so I generalized to two feet.

I think Bob counts this length as double the physical 12" inch length by adding the coax length down and the outside of the 12" mount back up...noting the current has to flow 2' feet to get to the real feed point...where the radials are on the A99. I did not consider any of this when I did my real world testing.

As you should be.

The reason I was surprised was...I was thinking if radials did effect the A99 enough to make a difference...then surely adding radials to the antenna tuned without the radials would show up as a notable difference in impedance if nothing else. That did not happen in my test...so I was surprised.

Take a look at the differences in impedance for the different setups with models. With the mast in play, at 10 meters above ground in the models above, with no radials there is a rather large difference between feed point impedance with and without a mast. If a matching system can, without adjustment, tune both of these in, I can only draw one conclusion and that is the matching system is very lossy. This knowledge, however, is nothing new with these antennas.

I could not then nor do I now understand the why...modeling does not always show exactly what we see in the real world. The best I've been able to make of such discovery is...theory truly shows us differences among models...while most often those differences are very small...and that result does not always agree with the claims made regarding the same data in the CB world.

DB, when you use the words "very lossy" you suggest a big difference is possible to be noted. I doubt there are many folks that have open minds on this subject can evaluate the performance differences between the A99 and a vertical 1/2 wave center fed dipole setups...that are installed with equal current maximums, while just operating their radios.

That being said, you used a different length mast in your test, is it possible you just happened to use a lucky length?

I don't know about that, and I sure didn't consider a lucky length at play in the testing I did back then. I simply wanted to compare the A99 with and without radials, and my VA1 mounted directly to the feed point. I saw no difference in the tune.

When it comes to radials and no radials, if you have a 10 foot mast, and add 9 foot radials, these setups will provide much closer results, will they not?

I did not added 9 foot radials in my testing...I use the A99 GPK with 4x72" inch elements in the horizontal. Your comment takes it for granted there will be closer results being low to the Earth. If I had thought about it...maybe I should have also tested the idea with a feed line at 18' and 36' feet to be sure. EDIT: But then I could not test at the antenna feed point.

I wish I had all the answers.

Thanks for the comments.

 

[The DB]

I think Bob counts this length as double the physical 12" inch length by adding the coax length down and the outside of the 12" mount back up...noting the current has to flow 2' feet to get to the real feed point...

That might be where I got the two foot number stuck in my head.

I could not then nor do I now understand the why...modeling does not always show exactly what we see in the real world. The best I've been able to make of such discovery is...theory truly shows us differences among models...while most often those differences are very small...and that result does not always agree with the claims made regarding the same data in the CB world.

There is a lot of ground to cover here. Long story short, if modeling doesn't even get close, odds are you are missing something that has a larger effect than you realize. For example, how many IMAX models take into account the fiberglass tubing around the antenna? Or the fact that it is copper wire? Both of these will have an effect however small. In general these make small differences, however, small differences can also add up. Also, I've seen a small difference at key points in some designs making a very large difference in overall outcome. In the end, you have to put modeling into perspective, it isn't the end all and be all of antennas, or theory. This, of course, is from someone who has been very critical of certain aspects of modeling in the past, and still am.

DB, when you use the words "very lossy" you suggest a big difference is possible to be noted. I doubt there are many folks that have open minds on this subject can evaluate the performance differences between the A99 and a vertical 1/2 wave center fed dipole setups...that are installed with equal current maximums, while just operating their radios.

I could use my VNA and get a very good idea, and this is something I would like to do sometime. It would potentially better let me model these antennas compared to equivalent other antennas. I used that terminology because losses are the only thing that I can think of offhand that will make two different impedances look not as far apart when it comes to tuning. If anyone has any other ideas I am open to them.

I don't know about that, and I sure didn't consider a lucky length at play in the testing I did back then. I simply wanted to compare the A99 with and without radials, and my VA1 mounted directly to the feed point. I saw no difference in the tune.

I did not added 9 foot radials in my testing...I use the A99 GPK with 4x72" inch elements in the horizontal. Your comment takes it for granted there will be closer results being low to the Earth. If I had thought about it...maybe I should have also tested the idea with a feed line at 18' and 36' feet to be sure.

Actually, I assumed you used the Solarcon ground plane kit. I seem to remember you mentioning this test somewhere before.

I wish I had all the answers.

So do I, but as long as we are still learning I am happy.


The DB

 

[Marconi]

There is a lot of ground to cover here. Long story short, if modeling doesn't even get close, odds are you are missing something that has a larger effect than you realize. For example, how many IMAX models take into account the fiberglass tubing around the antenna? Or the fact that it is copper wire?

I realize one thing...the other day you model an Imax with the capacitor and we all saw the differences you noted in your words. Your models results seemed to verify the idea that K5DAV wrote about...even though the differences were very modest. That was good enough for me. However, I posted my model of the same Imax, but without the capacitor and got the very similar results for gain...just like you noted. You did not post the matching results and I'm not sure if you added the matching to your model or not, but as I recall we still got very similar results.

That said however, I doubt if adding the matcher plus the capacitor would make any difference to the gain or angle reported out...while the losses, impedance, reactance, and SWR would all have values far apart with our two models. I cannot explain why this is the case with modeling, but performance results in modeling do not seem to be effected...no matter how good or bad the match for the model is.

Both of these will have an effect however small. In general these make small differences, however, small differences can also add up.

Well DB, I agree that small differences can add up in the real world, but I'm not too sure about modeling...unless the model idea is meant to cover such differences by comparison. You are the go-to-man for such work.

Also, I've seen a small difference at key points in some designs making a very large difference in overall outcome.

In some cases just change the height, and for sure change the Soil Type and you will likely see more dramatic changes in the model. IMO, most other changes in model settings, even the match, trend to making little or no changes in performance values.

Also, I've seen a small difference at key points in some designs making a very large difference in overall outcome.

What are key points?

I could use my VNA and get a very good idea, and this is something I would like to do sometime. It would potentially better let me model these antennas compared to equivalent other antennas.

I encourage you to follow up on this idea...this is mostly what guys wish to know...if they have any questions about these models, and the better accuracy...the better the information.

I used that terminology because losses are the only thing that I can think of offhand that will make two different impedances look not as far apart when it comes to tuning. If anyone has any other ideas I am open to them.

DB, I don't have any problem discussing the ideas concerning losses, I too think the subject is important to consider.

One thing that puzzles me however, is I do my manual scans for my antennas on my Antenna Work Sheets. I hardly ever get perfect R=50 ohms, X=0 ohms, and 1.01:1 SWR results anywhere across the bandwidth range noted. On the other hand I see guys report near perfect results across the entire CB band all the time.

Actually, I assumed you used the Solarcon ground plane kit. I seem to remember you mentioning this test somewhere before.

You will note that my models of either the Imax/A99 show the 72" radial elements work better than the more common 1/4 wavelength often used. It is not much of a difference unless the longer radials shift the maximum angle higher. What do you find when modeling this idea?

So do I, but as long as we are still learning I am happy.

I agree.

Thanks for your comments,

 

[psycho]

Can the Maco be tuned without the ground radials on a 6ft pole?

 

[Road Squawker]

...http://data:image/jpeg;base64,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

 

[psycho]

...http://data:image/jpeg;base64,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 View attachment 18776

I guess you can tune a fish.

 

[Bearcat]

What's up with this? I don't have a lot of room to put radials on while tuneing...once I get it up on the house I will have the room to add the radials! Also if you look on maco website there is a guy who has the v58 on top of his Maco 3 element without the radials...who knows y he did that ? Like I said my yard is small and it was a honest question about tuneing.

 

[The DB]

You asked a question and we tried to answer it for you. If you really want to try and set it up that way, go for it, then report back on your findings.

No one said that it was impossible to tune said antenna without radials, or something else under the antenna in their place. The concern was once you get the antenna tuned that way changing the antenna by adding radials may (actually should) require you to retune the antenna. You are changing the antenna, isn't it logical to assume that changing the antenna would also change the antenna's tune?


The DB

 

[Bearcat]

You asked a question and we tried to answer it for you. If you really want to try and set it up that way, go for it, then report back on your findings.

No one said that it was impossible to tune said antenna without radials, or something else under the antenna in their place. The concern was once you get the antenna tuned that way changing the antenna by adding radials may (actually should) require you to retune the antenna. You are changing the antenna, isn't it logical to assume that changing the antenna would also change the antenna's tune?


The DB

The point was why post a dumb fish and squid ward pic...a tuna fish isn't answering my question!