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Measure once, cut twice.......

nomadradio

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Measure once, cut twice. Didn't measure at all? Call the fire department.

Not really, but you get the idea.

Had an educational (spelled expen$ive) experience last Saturday. A customer brought in a "Telestar" base linear. That's "tell-uh-star", not "tell-star". The only one I had ever seen previously was converted to a single GU74b/4CX800 tube. This one was original, with sockets for two 4CX250-type tubes. Customer states power is low. I'm in the habit of testing this kind of tube before applying power to the customer's stuff. Both his tubes checked dead as a post. Open heaters. Didn't ask the obvious question "why?". Just shrugged at two chinese tubes. I did make sure there was proper control-grid and screen bias. High Voltage showed 2200 Volts.

Plugged in my matched pair of 4CX250B tubes.

Nada. Not so much as a fraction of a Watt. Wasted a bunch of time rechecking the tubes' operating voltages. Checked the grid post of the socket to see full drive from the radio really was reaching the tubes. Puzzling....... Until..

Until I put the clamp-on meter to the tubes' heater-supply wire. No current draw at all.

My idiot light is just beginning to flicker dimly.

Checked the voltage at the heater pin of a tube socket. Cue the idiot light. Full brightness.

26.5 Volts. Yep, they built it with military-surplus tubes intended for airborne use. Aircraft traditionally use a 24-Volt system to get twice as many Watts from a pound of wiring as you can with 12 Volts. Reducing weight is a big incentive when you design an aircraft and its systems.

Plucked my two tubes from their sockets and sure enough. Open circuit across the heater pins of both tubes. They're dead, Jim.

Felt pretty stupid by this point. Checked, and found exactly one "4CX250F" tube on the shelf. Takes two for this box. Won't get it on the air today with the original-type tubes.

The solution was to mount a 12-Volt center tapped transformer on the outside of the rear panel. Just wasn't an empty space inside where it would fit. Grounded the center tap and ran each of the 6-Volt wires to one socket.

Now it worked great with my last matched pair of 4CX250B tubes. This is one kind of tube where a suffix letter really means something. The "B" indicates a six-Volt heater. The "F" suffix is for the 26.5-Volt version. This guy had paid no attention to that suffix letter when he bought tubes to replace the older set. I'm sure he had no idea he would poof them the instant he turned on the power.

Oops.

Bottom line was the customer went home happy with a working amplifier. And the sale price for one matched pair of tubes almost got me up to the break-even point on my cost for four tubes.

And if that's the worst thing to happen the whole week, I can count it as a blessing in disguise. You can be sure we won't plug 6-Volt tubes into a "Tell-uh-star" box without measuring at least once, so to speak.

73
 
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Measure once, cut twice.
73

Or as I say, measure with a micrometer, mark with a crayon, cut with an axe. I know few guys like that. Actually work with one. He is so precise with his measurements and then completely negates all that fussiness when he drills the holes or cuts the metal panel. Boggles the mind. Glad you found out the issue before going through any more tubes.
 
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Caught the Tel-UGH-star reference. :whistle:

Too bad you couldn't just open up the tubes and re-heater them - ouch!

It's ok - not to feel too bad, after I got stung a long time ago having to pay for two parts because the "First one blew" - was my lesson; the tech passed along the costs of their mistakes onto the customer.

That doesn't help the situation any .

As I learned and ramped up my radio "fixation" - I kinda had to spread out the pain by - "if this can be repaired using one part FANTASTIC!" However - the odds are already 2 to one against you - so this does serve as a lesson and reminder for us - especially myself, why I wound up giving away many repairs. It's simply due to the costs of parts and work that they'd have to bear in the work they wanted done - everything outside of the box of the "mod" was on us/we/me for doing the "extra mile" to ensure the mod and the customer survived...

Yes, I said survived ...

... another story for later...
 
Or as I say, measure with a micrometer, mark with a crayon, cut with an axe. I know few guys like that. Actually work with one. He is so precise with his measurements and then completely negates all that fussiness when he drills the holes or cuts the metal panel. Boggles the mind. Glad you found out the issue before going through any more tubes.
"I cut it twice and it's still too short..." :whistle:
 
Did the same thing years ago swapping out 4X150D for 4X150A on a plate modulated FT-101E. Not long after that problem got fixed, the blower shut down on the outboard modulator and left a big puddle of solder on the floor of the modulator deck. I couldn't figure out for the life on me where a half pound of solder could have melted from.

Until I removed both 4X150D's and only the anode radiators came out, with the tubes still in the sockets... Those older glass external anode tubes, had the radiators soldered to the anode core. Fixed the blower, ordered two military surplus "tubes in a can" from Fair Radio Sales and ran one of the only AM plate modulated Yaesu's around.
 
I've done lots of those kinds of things.
I have heard "The only people who don't make mistakes are people who"...
I used to hear, "never do anything" but even THAT is a mistake.
I've learned not to get upset even when it's doozy. :(
Seems like you have too. :thumsup: hopefully long before I did.
 
Wow bad luck for sure. Bought a not working 321 amp one tube driving 3 tubes. Got it all working, but the RF going out was unstable, and it blow the 15 amp fuse a number of times. A few days later figured out it had 6 volt filament tubes in it and had 12 volts applied to them. Yeah.....

Jay in the Great Mojave Desert
 

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